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By pond life
#30161
respeck katy for biggin' up Ms.D
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By Funky Drummer
#30167
I don't like garage or really trancey stuff like hard house nation sort of thing, but I'll quite happily listen to pretty much anything.
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By jc
#30179
I don't mind Alicia Keys much (except for that awful intro to "Fallin'"), but has anyone else noticed how depressingly bored she sounds when talking normally to the press or anybody else? - jc
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By Gigglyboots
#30183
Alicia Keys has the most amazing voice, even if its not other peoples cup of tea.
Gosh M+L fan, that post, wow! It was so explanatory and good.

Yeah Alicia always does look kinda bored, but its a cool attitude mind.
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By a_girl_from_mars
#30197
Alicia Keys is just boring full stop. Theres no denying she has a good voice, but she ruins it by singing crap, boring, middle-of-the-road american r n b.
By pond life
#30216
yeah Alicia Keys would be perfect for fame academy
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By Gigglyboots
#30218
Shes better than that.....
By pond life
#30239
So Hazel's out of popstars-the rivals...
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By Uglybob
#30241
does anyone actually popstars the rivals. i really couldnt care less about it.
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By Funky Drummer
#30242
me neither. just another crappy tv programme to me
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By Lawrie
#30246
"urban music starts who have some respect from me"

The Streets (most political band in this country since the Manics)
Jurassic 5
Mark B and Blade
By pond life
#30254
The Streets rhymin' is so bad it's good...
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By Lawrie
#30300
it may be bad but its telling britian as it is in this current moment
By Everlast
#30323
Pond Life wrote:The Streets rhymin' is so bad it's good...

Discuss
By pond life
#30329
well Everready you kick the discussion off
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By Nablo.
#30332
But that was hinting at you to talk about the point that you made.
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By M+L Fan II
#30754
After watching tonight's programme on channel 4 about the So Solid crew - it has made me realise that I hate these obnoxious little scrotes even more.
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By jc
#30796
Hah, I deliberately didn't watch that last night because I was afraid I'd damage my TV. - jc

(Why does Konqueror always insert unnecessary line breaks in my posts?)
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By M+L Fan II
#30967
I don't think the whole debate about Hip-Hop/garage can be brought down to either it's good or it's bad.

I think that there is some good Hip-Hop/garage and unfortunately mostly there is some bad Hip-Hop/garage.

I think the main formula for a good Hip-Hop song is to have;
1( Good scan on the vocals - unlike what Moyles often brings up about the Summertime record...'The school reun------ion'. For example the Rakim vocals on the otherwise dire Addictive record; I always find myself nodding my head to that bit.

2( Rhyming - I don't think it's essential to rhyme exactly. eg; fight/right, fine/line. But it has to sound similar. For example a lot of Eminem's music doesn't rhyme, but it sounds like it's rhyming - if you know what I mean.

3( Background instrumental - Now this is really important. If you consider that the whole essence of Hip-Hop is on the vocals, and without actually having a tune on the vocals, a lot of songs are bound to sound similar and repetitive. So you need a good ear-grabbing bacground. And I don't have a problem with sampling older records for this, as you are giving a different perspective on the original as it's a different genre.

4( Good chorus - Much the same as above, but you do hear a lot of goodish Hip-Hop songs that are ruined by tuneless, meandering choruses.

5( Lyrical content - OK, I know the lyrics are a bit cliched, but Tupac's song Changes for example is a lot more powerful than someone bragging about their biatches, cars, money. I think their should be good powerful lyrics, but having said that if you have achieved all 4 of the points above you can probably get away with it.
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By Sidders
#30972
Yeah, good post. I agree with all that. I think Eminiem does some good stuff, and I think he is the best Hip Hop artist around at the moment, I also like Dre's 2001 album, but a lot of the lyrics in that are as you say 'cliched'. 2paq's changes is quality and the lyrics are really good, it also has a really good backing track and it sends a tingle down my spine every time I hear it.
By Everlast
#31105
M+L Fan II wrote:I don't think the whole debate about Hip-Hop/garage can be brought down to either it's good or it's bad.

I think that there is some good Hip-Hop/garage and unfortunately mostly there is some bad Hip-Hop/garage.

I think the main formula for a good Hip-Hop song is to have;
1( Good scan on the vocals - unlike what Moyles often brings up about the Summertime record...'The school reun------ion'. For example the Rakim vocals on the otherwise dire Addictive record; I always find myself nodding my head to that bit.

2( Rhyming - I don't think it's essential to rhyme exactly. eg; fight/right, fine/line. But it has to sound similar. For example a lot of Eminem's music doesn't rhyme, but it sounds like it's rhyming - if you know what I mean.

3( Background instrumental - Now this is really important. If you consider that the whole essence of Hip-Hop is on the vocals, and without actually having a tune on the vocals, a lot of songs are bound to sound similar and repetitive. So you need a good ear-grabbing bacground. And I don't have a problem with sampling older records for this, as you are giving a different perspective on the original as it's a different genre.

4( Good chorus - Much the same as above, but you do hear a lot of goodish Hip-Hop songs that are ruined by tuneless, meandering choruses.

5( Lyrical content - OK, I know the lyrics are a bit cliched, but Tupac's song Changes for example is a lot more powerful than someone bragging about their biatches, cars, money. I think their should be good powerful lyrics, but having said that if you have achieved all 4 of the points above you can probably get away with it.

The tupac song was made up by different verses on the "R U still down" record, hes lyrics were brilliant but maybe the chorus is what the casual fan bought the song for.
After hearing Eminems new record i can say that you may not agree with a lot of the things he says and hes rhymes maybe do not rhyme but hes rapping is phenomenal recently he gets every silible down to a tee, i think even if he didn't have Dr Dre with him he'd be a star.
At the moment though my favorite rapper is Nas, hes rhymes are put toghether as well as Eminem and you feel that he is soooo juch more intelligent than most of these retarded rappers. Nas is Knowledge and knowledge is power
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By KuppanMoyles69
#31110
I also love 2pac