[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

I cant say i like brasseye cos i just dont find it funny but it does highlight a worring amount of thick famous people.  I mean richard blackwood an that kate thornton i understand but some of these were members of parliament.  hmmmmmmm.

[fgfgfg]

My thoughts....<P>It seemed over the top and much less subtle than the 6 1997 shows. Also some sketches were very unpleasant, but more importantly unfunny and didn’t seem to actually have any point- i.e the paedophile in the stocks with Morris asking him if he found his son sexually attractive and the Victorian sex bit. The show also seemed only half finished.<P>Some good bits though- the paedophile lynching, woman disguised as a troll, beauty pageant breast implants girl, JLb-8 etc etc.<P>The celeb interviews were superb though- better perhaps than the old episodes. I can’t quite believe what a knob Dr Fox made of himself. And Blackwood sniffing the computer keyboard. Also there were many more celebs hoaxed than the early leaks suggested.<P>Overall- excellent compared to the crap on Tv at the moment. Compared to the old episodes, a bit disappointing. But then again that was inevitable after all the hype. It didn’t help that Channel 4 are repeating the old 1997 episodes at the moment which inevitably leads to comparison.<br>

[Martin]

Okay, well the_dr knows me for this - I've been trying to make up in my mind from reading stuff whether I liked this or not. I still have mixed opinions, but I did enjoy this one overall.<P>Some points I agree, were sick and if there was a point to it may have been more viable, but there wasn't, so it just seemed like an excuse to show it.<P>The part with his son I actually found, although pointless, quite funny, more to Morris' reaction than anyone else's.<P>(As a side note, the moving house was HILLARIOUS!)<P>It did highlight some very important fact, and at places seemed to be seriously slating Paedophiles.<P>Like I said, I found some parts incredibly funny, and some pointless, but I am happy to say that for me, I didn't frown and want to turn it over at any point. Before it started I'd got in my mind about how sick paedophiles are, so if I found anything remotly wrong, it was going off, cos of my strong views, but I didn't turn it off. I did find it funny - well done.<P>I suppose my mixed views come from the fact that paedophilia is something that isn't talked about, so when it is talked about in a different way, it's a shock.<P>So.. yeah.

[A_(the?)Mark_and_Lard_Fan]

I just watched the repeat of paedo-geddon - I don't know what the fuss was about; as far as I saw it in no way made light of paedophilia - what I saw and as I think most other sensible people saw was the p*ss-take of the media's perception of it.<P>And another thing...those 1500 people who complained; what did they expect to see??<P>And another thing...That Sarah Michelle whats-her-face who plays Buffy the Vampire Slayer is F.ucking gorgeous - I wouldn't mind doinking her.<P>And another thing...Helen from BB looked almost fit tonight.<P>And another thing...I've had a few drinks of cider tonightt.<P>And another thing...the_dr; you're alright really - I apologize for some things I've said to you.<P>Goodnight everybody...or should I say morning.<P>

[Guest]

well said sir. <P>sh1t look at the time. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. moyles is on in 5hrs 45 mins. you get worried when you're up at that time when it starts to get light  :)

[Lawrie]

i thought the first bit of brass eye was funny where they replaced a 8 year old girl with a 25 year old with breasts..at times i felt guilty of laughing.....also big brother helen was looking alright last night but i was shocked to see `liz` looking quite good last night...is moyles on this morning? if he isnt then i have the pleasure of watching amanda holden on smtv

[Uglybob]

i have to admit this now. this is the most funniest thing i have seen in ages. in this century probably. dr fox telling you that paedos are just like crabs was fantastic. give this man a knighthood or something. the dog with the eyes from a paedophile. this man is a genius. noone else tries this. so what about the complaints. its taboo, so what. the hypocrites knew what it was about and they were warned before the show. for those ppl there is a button called the off switch. press it you ****ers.

[Rob]

there wasn't THAT much to complain about really.

[Guest]

THE SICKEST TV SOW EVER - today's daily mail.<P>morris has proven his underlying point about the media. this kind of uproar makes me laugh almost as much as the show did. it's that kind of mentality that got paediatrition's cars set on fire etc.<P>what completely pathetic, stupid, moaning *******s.

[Martin]

I'd like to see them try and defend themselves...

[fgfgfgf]

If you liked the BE Special visit the superb website below which seems to be having a laugh at the expense of the tabloids and people who are complaining about the show. Click on the link a little way down the "Open Letter To Channel 4:Brass Eye was Unacceptable" article for the best bit, a story on a "Shocking Investigation of Institutionalised Paedophilia in Schools".<P>Genius!<P>Perhaps Morris himself is behind this site? <br> <A HREF="http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/7/27/65036/1771" TARGET=_blank>http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/7/27/65036/1771<<br>/A> <br>

[Rob]

"Broadcasting this foul artwork must surely have provided cheap titillation to any perverts watching the programme"<P>hmmm

[fgfgfgfgf]

Today, Home Secretary David Blunkett has fiercely attacked the Brass Eye Special.<P>[from BBC News]<br>Mr Blunkett's spokesman added: "Mr Blunkett was pretty dismayed by the programme and did not find it remotely funny."<br>-------<P>I am not surprised Mr Blunkett found the program unfunny. He is completely blind and therefore could not have seen the show. Perhaps he listened to it as his spokesman gave a running commentary of what was happening.<P>Unbelievable.<P>

[Uglybob]

now over 2000 complaints. thats funny that keith chegwin only got about 2 complaints so it just goes to show the silliness

[winker]

It was no way as bad as all of them do gooders say it was. Yes it was controversial in parts, but also funny. The bit where Chris Morris is calling that paedo different slang terms was v funny. Also the papers are, as usual taking this subject and blowing it out of all proportion. The Daily Mail stands accused of being the ring leader in telling people how to think. (NO change there then). I hate the Daily Mail, and I hate Sebastian Coe.

[the_dr]

M&L Fan - aplogy accepted, I'm sorry if I've said anything dodgy to you in the past.<P>Right, Brass Eye... I have read all the comments on all the message boards. I have stayed in Chris Morris chatrooms until 3 in the morning. I have heard callers on Talk Sport. I have seen the Sun and Daily Mail articles (Did you see the <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/my/randomaudio/dailymail.html" TARGET=_blank> front cover of the Mail</A> yesterday?). <P>I have watched the show itself 3 times now and I have to say I like it. OK - so maybe it isn't up to everybodies expectations, but if you hype anything that much then you're bound to feel let-down. I thought it was an intellegent, thought-provoking, well-observed and overall amazingly funny. I doubt I will see a more important show in the next 5 years - and I'm certain there hasn't been one more important so far in my lifetime.<P>I find it hard to put in to words what hasn't been already said on one place or another. Indeed, after the show I could hardly believe what I had just seen, and only now I am writing my feelings. Theres so many points I need to cover...<br>[list]<P><LI><B>Morals</B><P>This program has pushed the barriers of what can and can't be said  - it has broken one of the ultimate taboos. I say well done to Channel 4 for showing BE and for sticking behind it's decision. HUGE respect to them on that one - and I will be phoning them up tomorrow to register my absolute delight of this show. I suggest you do similar, as does Cook'd 'n Bomb'd, so maybe this will go someway to counteract the 2,000 complaints it has recieved. This from the CaB forum:<P><I>"I've also phoned a very weary sounding guy at Channel 4, who has endured a nasty few days of being labelled a nonce endlessly by ignorant punters who didn't even watch the show"</I><P>A lot of the complainers - either middle-aged, middle-class "family" men/women (Mail readers) or thick-as-pig-shite lowest common demonenator Sun readers - haven't even seen the program, or 'get  it'. My favourite quote from one such person, is Mr Blackwood who said "If you think kiddie porn if funny, then you should have a good laugh". I know this is sounding clichéd now, but for the last time - it's not laughing at these crimes, but at the tabloid hysteria that undermines it and societies inconsistent attitudes towards sex. Something I read in the Observer this morning rang true-<P><I>A man who has sex with a girl 15-and-three-quarters years old is branded as as a paedophile, but a man who has sex with a 16-year-old is called a lucky devil</I><P>This media of ours is so full of inconsistenceies and double-standards it's untrue. For example, The Sun's page 3 has done more to harm women's charities and the changing social climate in which women have more and more rights, than BE has done to harm the work of childrens charities. Saying that, the charities are just as much to blame for the hysteria as the tabloid media. <P>For example, a a recent campaign ran by the NSPCC claimed that most sex offenders start offending at an early age. And in the words of Dr Fox "... and thats a scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it, but it's a scientific fact". There was no evidence for it - no statistics, research, or surveys - and when they were contacted by a journalist challenging this campaign they said "well just look at Fred West". What? They mean that one, extreamly rare case is conclusive evidence that this is common practice? This is the same as the hysteria created by the tabloids which greatly blows everything out of proportion - these sort of things do happen, but not nearly as much as the media would have you believe.<P>Just remember - 50 years ago homosexuality was regarded as an illness.<P><LI><B>"Celebrities"</B><P>"You may have seen Brass Eye last night. Richard Blackwood and Kate Thornton are personal friends of mine and I know they aren't that stupid. Anyway it was wrong, wrong, wrong-diddeley-ong". Two guesses at who that quote came from. No, not David Blunkett (I was fooled as well), but Sara Cox. So they aren't stupid are they? Let me just smell my keyboard.... yep - it smells of hammers. These celebrities ARE stupid - they didn't check the crudentials of the charities, question the ridiculous claims they were making - they just read the autocue into the camera like the attention-hungry zombies that they are. <P>Then they have the cheek to complain about being duped saying that it would stop celebs from promoting charities in the future. I would question why these celebs are getting involved in the first place. Are we really that shallow as to only take attention of a cause because some Z-list celebrity talks bilge into the camera? I hope not.<P><LI><B>Aftermath</B><P>After the thursday broascast, I went into the Chris Morris chatroom #bonobo. There were around 50 people in there, all amazed at what they just saw. We were listening to talkSPORT - James Whale was taking calls on it even though he hadn't seen it himself. Of course he got the usual ill-informed 'this is a sick program' calls from 'concerned parents'. On the chatroom, we were taking the ****  out of them - and a few of us rang up and managed to slip 'bonobo' into the conversation. I have uploaded a log of the #bonobo Thursday night/Friday morning discussion thanks to LaaLaa - <A HREF="http://www.thedr.freeserve.co.uk/bonobo.txt." TARGET=_blank>http://www.thedr.freeserve.co.uk/bonobo.txt.</A> <P>The newspapers were full of it- the Mail and Sun appointed themselves moral guardians of the nation (as usual) and called for Channel 4 to have it's license revoked. On the other hand, the broadsheets seemed to be backing Morris (including the Torygraph). Newsnight review had a 10-minute well balanced, intellegent debate on it. MPs today have attacked the program, even though by their own admitance they hadn't seen the program.<P>All this and still, in todays Observer, Michael Jackson sticks by his decision to show it. Well done I say, to him and his station. This has confirmed my suspicions that Channel 4 is the only decent station on UK tv - a station we can always rely on to bring us the most challenging and intellegent programming possible. It's original remit was to represent the minorities in Britain and I believe it has done that - with it's excellent news program, it's Drug Law's aren't working season, a gay man winning Big Brother (which is more than can be said for the conservative party elections) and now the best satire we have ever seen.<P>I don't believe in censorship, I don't believe anybody should tell me what I can and can't watch, I don't believe this program is offensive, I don't believe that Morris should be critised for what he has done. I do believe this show was important in breaking down barriers, opening up the debate further than the vigilante POV we have been spoon-fed by the tabloids for many years.<P>To all the those people who are complaining - f<B>uck</B> off and change the channel. If you don't like it, we're not making you - but there are a lot of people who want to see intellegent programming and make up our own minds on what is right or wrong - rather than being told 'what to think after the break'.<P>the_dr<br>P.S. Theres loads I want to add to that but I can't think of it right now.<p>[This message has been edited by the_dr (edited 29 July 2001).]

[Guest]

yeah. what he said.  :)

[winker]

I whole heartedly agree with the_dr. I taped the BE special and didn't watch it until last night. I had heard all of the uproar about it, read the papers 'views' and even watched the ITV news do a report on it for god's sake. <P>As I sat down to watch it I expected a very bad taste program to unfold. It did not happen. What I watched was a very well put together piece of tv. In parts it went near the mark, in other parts it was very funny. (" the dummy of guts only lasted 8 seconds").<P>What this program has done is make joe public think about this problem. Joe public don't like to think, they like to be told what to think (cue the Daily Mail). <P>I also congratulate CH4 for being brave enough to show and repeat the BE special. <P>Paedophiles are a big problem, and they need to be dealt with severely. This program went about showing this. Unfortunately joe public didn't understand what Chris Morris was trying to say.<P>"What person would name their child Peter if their surname is Phile?"  Pure class.<P><p>[This message has been edited by winker (edited 29 July 2001).]

[Martin]

I wholeheartidly agree with everything Daniel said there - well done lad   <P>And I second the comment about respecting Channel 4 for everyting it's worth to air the programme, and I to, will be ringing them up to voice this.<P>If I was working for the ITC, I would tell all of the people who complained to wake up and realise that the world isn't pretty flowers..<P>And in the words of Moyles after a long rant.. jesus...!<p>[This message has been edited by Martin (edited 30 July 2001).]

[wannabe_mrs_moyles]

my mum said 'it's disgusting'

[Guest]

I agree aswell.  It's the first BE I've ever watched, I only heard about it on this board.  I watched out of interest and it didn't offend me, though I didn't find it particulally funny.  But I understood the point.  How can we tackle a problem like paedophillia when the media refuses to look at it in a different way instead of the normal "lock up your children" we seem to get.  Yes it was contraversial, but what important part of society isn't?  It's not the most entertaining program I've ever watched, but I understood it's point.

[fgfgfg]

After watching my tape of the Brass Eye Special for the first time since I saw the show on Thursday I have a number of observations.<P>1. The crab that we see Dr Fox with near the start of the show was alive- it can clearly be seen moving its front pincers. Of course the crab Dr Fox later bludgeons with a hammer may have been a different dead one [it certainly looks the same though]. Either way the man is still a git.<P>2. On second viewing the show seems much less offensive and not that shocking. Especially after all the rabid hysterical tabloid coverage that followed it. What was all the fuss about?<P>3. The show seems vastly better than when I first saw it. I have to say I was slightly disappointed when I first saw it, especially when compared to the excellent Brass Eye Crime episode from 1997 that followed it. Perhaps the hype the show received before it aired meant it would inevitable seem disappointing. There were also one or two sketches where I didn’t see the point Morris was making first time round- again, it was clearer on second viewing. <P>4. Richard Blackwood and THAT keyboard scene. Surely after the way he recoiled in mock surprise from the keyboard and pretended it was making him suggestible, will ensure he never works again in TV. If this happens Morris will truly be a god.<br>

[wannabe_mrs_moyles]

who the hell would actually wear those sun glasses that are on the front of the daily mail?

[Uglybob]

actually richard blackwood if off to america wher he has his own show. so no more blackwood. now we have to get rid of kate thornton. did u notice carol vorderman being smug saying that they didnt catch her out

[Uglybob]

that last message was posted twice so i will change this one. poppy, why did u buy the daily mail, are your family middle class.<P>seb coes face when he switched on the tape, classic<p>[This message has been edited by uglybob (edited 01 August 2001).]