[Andy B]

I meant meaningful, philosophical quotes. The one you're referring to I find myself quoting a lot more than I used to thanks to one person on here!

It's not got meaning though. It is broadly derived from Immanuel Kant's Catagorical Imperitive which states: "Act only upon that maxim which thou can'st, at the same time, will to become a universl law" or more simply, the most happiness for the most amount of people. Taken to it's logical extreme it could be used as a justification for slavery or genocide.

The topic of morals and how one can define a moral code has been argued amongst philosophers and bearded people in pubs for many years and I doubt it will get solved in a few hours on an internet forum.

[Bonanzoid]

This has got to be the best headline for a new story - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090218/twl ... d0ae9.html

Haha, definitely.

[Munki Bhoy]

I meant meaningful, philosophical quotes. The one you're referring to I find myself quoting a lot more than I used to thanks to one person on here!

It's not got meaning though. It is broadly derived from Immanuel Kant's Catagorical Imperitive which states: "Act only upon that maxim which thou can'st, at the same time, will to become a universl law" or more simply, the most happiness for the most amount of people. Taken to it's logical extreme it could be used as a justification for slavery or genocide.

The topic of morals and how one can define a moral code has been argued amongst philosophers and bearded people in pubs for many years and I doubt it will get solved in a few hours on an internet forum.

Actually, that was the whole point over the course of the second and third movies. Logic dictates that Spock's "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few or the one" is correct. That's precisely how a computer would see it. How many other sci-fi movies have resulted in an apocalyptic future because a machine took that literally? The third movie revolved around the group sacrificing their careers (the good of the many) to save Spock (the good of the one). Human beings have the ability, through emotional response, to determine which is best in each circumstance. I'm fairly sure no one would argue with Spock's actions even with an emotional, human response.

Actually, I thought Spock's mum explained it to Spock pretty well at the start of the fourth movie.

I could get really controversial now and point out that this is the precise point where facism and communism meet despite them apparently being polar opposites. I find that scale to be circular rather than linear. But it does explain why Stalin threw so many Ukrainians at the Nazis. Which would be where your point regarding using it to justify genocide comes in. On that, I agree with you. I just wouldn't go as far to say it has no meaning - it has plenty of meaning.

I never did philosophy at school or university, but "is Spock right" sounds like it would be a great exam question.

[Boboff]

You are right with the circular reference, it has been pointed out many time that the extremes of communism and fascism share many of the same ideological dogma.

As for Spock, I couldn't give a Rats arse, but what ever float your boat I suppose.

Please explain the stereo-typical characters and there associated backgrounds and belief systems as well as the ideological and socio historical class systems employed in the 1980's program the Young Ones, please make specific reference to the symbolism of both the Hamster and the Land Lord as played by Alexis Sayle.

Now thats an essay to get your Teeth into!

[foot-loose]

This has got to be the best headline for a new story - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090218/twl ... d0ae9.html

hahaha

brilliant.

[Sunny So Cal]

Munki, your geekiness is showing.

[Munki Bhoy]

I've been off ill for three days and the only thing that's got me through it has been Star Trek. The rest of TV has been garbage.

[Andy B]

Boboff - S.P.G. Was the only clear voice of reason throughout the show and was a character with which the audience could identify. His ultimate death by being crushed against a lamp post by a yellow Ford Anglia with flames up the side reflects how try as we might to resist the madness and insanity of the real world it is an ultimately pointless task. Although somewhat nihilistic in it's approach it does spark a curious similarity with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with both it's fatalism and juxtaposition of roles and character types.

Well it's not bad for 1am and half a crate of beer.

[Sunny So Cal]

I've been off ill for three days and the only thing that's got me through it has been Star Trek. The rest of TV has been garbage.

I still say you're lazy and should have gone up and gotten a book. Wait. Is it man flu? If it is, I can understand the inabilities to move. When Mr. Sunny is sick and sneezes two times in a row, he acts like he should be hospitalized.

*waits for Yuds' offer to make it happen*

[Yudster]

I would love to make it happen! I don't think I'd have to look too far for a fair few people to help me too.

[MK Chris]

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifist.

[Yudster]

Pacifist doesn't mean the same as Lazy Arse.

[MK Chris]

Ha well that's true. Both could probably apply.

[Zoot]

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifist.

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifier.

[Sunny So Cal]

In that case, Zoot, best you sit this one out.

[Andy B]

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifist.

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifier.

I would vol-au-vent but I'm in a pact with lucifer.

[Munki Bhoy]

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifist.

I would volunteer but I'm a pacifier.

You suck as much as this joke.

I went back to work today, and by the time I got home I was knackered again. Amazing how much illness takes it out of you. I'd love to just say "aah it was man flu" but I really am knackered. So much so I went and got Chinese for dinner instead of cooking. Which at least went down well with the missus, who appears to have contracted whatever I had.

[Sunny So Cal]

See? I told you. You gave it to me, too! Now where's my Chinese?

[Munki Bhoy]

You're going to start rumours with comments like that!

[Sunny So Cal]

Don't avoid the question. Where's my Chinese?

[Munki Bhoy]

In those cool wee cardboard boxes you get in the US and I've never found one in this country. We get plastic tubs you can't really eat out of properly.

Seriously, I'm very easily amused.

[MK Chris]

Our house is full of accidents.

Come on - I bet you don't know for sure, unless your mum has actually told you.

[Sunny So Cal]

Wait. You don't get the Chinese take-out boxes over there? Seriously?

Damn it. Now I'm famished and want a Chinese.

[MK Chris]

[Boboff]

Hahaha.

We use those chineese containers for lots of things. I often have a cook-a-thon and stick it all in those containers and freeze them, then just microwave for lunch or dinner. It's really Handy when the misses is on shift as she can warm up soup, cottage pie, lasagne, chili, bolognaise, Sweet & Sour, curry, meat balls or some other such culinary masterpiece at her leisure, and I can have sausage and chips!