[lilmissnaughty]

When you word it like that it's hard to argue. Which is why people with your view do argue this way, beacause the emotional shock of a death of a real life baby is hard to argue against

Personally, I think you are wrong because there is a complete world of difference. You might as well compare killing a 40 year old to an abortion, because fact is in the small space of time that a pregnancy entails; the development of a new born baby from a 10 week old fetus is a vastly wide one.

Unfortunatly you cannot generalise in circumstances like these because each case is different and you have to judge it on its own merits, which is why it annoys me when a lot of anti-abortion lobbiers argue with unusually shocking cases trying to change the world, which should in my opinion be left down to Governments.

I know for a fact that you will pretty much disregard much of what I have written, because lets face it you aren’t going to change your opinion because someone on a message board argued against you. But I’d just like to point out that I am neither strongly for or against abortion but in a democratic society all women should ideally have the choice and nobody should have the right to take that away. Of course we don’t live in an ideal world….

(Once again showing that pretty hefty political debate should be left off of Radio 1 DJ fansites)

Hear hear!

Crawley i assume from your point of view you are male & you clearly have no concept of what bringing up children entails? Either decision is the toughest one a woman ever has to make( you should be grateful you never have that problem) & im sorry but people like you only add to the pressure these women are under

Again, very good point.




There are many reasons why a woman might 'choose' to have an abortion - and I don't know what the stats/figures are on this, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of women don't do this as a form of contraception, because it's hardly a walk in the park.

I've never had an abortion, thankfully, but I've been in a situation where I've had some very tough choices to make about it, because of the health of my unborn baby and the impact on my other daughter....won't go into details here....all I wanted to point out is that it is a heart-wrenching decision to make. I decided to go ahead with the pregnancy, and luckily things worked out a lot better than predicted by the medical profession at the time. I wouldn't change a thing now...but if I had decided to terminate the pregnancy at the time, it would have been the right choice for me, given the information I had at that point in time. In that situation, the last thing I'd need is anti-abortionists going on about "murder".

[MK Chris]

Fish heads - spot on mate.

I think I need to lighten this discussion up a bit and steer it in a different direction. I've told this before I think but there are lots more newer people now.

Most people know that in some (probably most, I don't know) states in America you can't drink until you're 21. Well a kid got taken to court for underage drinking at the age of 20. He won his case because, in the same state, abortion is illegal - this is because they think of life as starting in the mother's womb rather than when you are actually born. Hence the kid was older than 21 because he was conceived over 21 years before he was caught drinking...

A little bit of a tenuous link but this discussion is wrong, as others have pointed out.

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oh i hate to be pedantic but isnt any discussion a good thing? rather that than war!

hahah as for the lad getting prosecuted for underage drinking,nothing surprises me where the yanks are concerned(best i leave that 1 well alone)

[Console]

rather that than war!

War? Did I miss something?

[licks]

lmao no,go back to sleep

[kendra k]

topher, don't even get started on all the insanity in the "states" when it comes to the rights of fetuses (foetuses, to you). if it's a high profile murder of a pregnant woman (especially if she's white and middle class) they're add another counter of murder on for the fetus. if a woman drinks, smokes, does drugs whilst pregnant, they can charge her with neglect if they feel like it. it's so ridiculous how they're slowly chipping away the rights of women by creating new powers for the unborn.

it's not like anybody is ever happy about getting an abortion, and true, there are other alternatives, but ugh! it's stupid for other peopleto make me do what they want if they won't support me in the future of the results of that action.

one of my cousins had a kid a few years ago (she was almost 16). the family asked her to abort it or give it up for adoption. she refused because she wanted her baby (very much like her mother wanted her- she was adopted). she never raised the kid, passing it off to my aunt or another cousin, and now says she wishes she had the abortion and that she wants this "thing" out of her life. i know she's not unique, but it really pisses me off how some people act like this. luckily my other cousin is going to adopt the kid now, since he deserves better.

[crawley2352]

When you word it like that it's hard to argue. Which is why people with your view do argue this way, beacause the emotional shock of a death of a real life baby is hard to argue against

Personally, I think you are wrong because there is a complete world of difference. You might as well compare killing a 40 year old to an abortion, because fact is in the small space of time that a pregnancy entails; the development of a new born baby from a 10 week old fetus is a vastly wide one.

Unfortunatly you cannot generalise in circumstances like these because each case is different and you have to judge it on its own merits, which is why it annoys me when a lot of anti-abortion lobbiers argue with unusually shocking cases trying to change the world, which should in my opinion be left down to Governments.

I know for a fact that you will pretty much disregard much of what I have written, because lets face it you aren’t going to change your opinion because someone on a message board argued against you. But I’d just like to point out that I am neither strongly for or against abortion but in a democratic society all women should ideally have the choice and nobody should have the right to take that away. Of course we don’t live in an ideal world….

(Once again showing that pretty hefty political debate should be left off of Radio 1 DJ fansites)

I am certainly not going to disregard what you said, in fact I commend you for writing a sensible and thoughtful message back.

And to those who say men don't know what bringing a child up is like, that is complete rubbish. Ok we don't have to go through pregnancy, which I appreciate is not easy, but apart from that we form just as an important part of a child's upbringing.

[lilmissnaughty]

Not all women are lucky enough to have someone sensible and willing to form a part of their child's life with them though.

[crawley2352]

Not all women are lucky enough to have someone sensible and willing to form a part of their child's life with them though.

This is a good point.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

it works both ways.

[lilmissnaughty]

it works both ways.

Also true - but it's not men who have to face the wrath of anti-abortionists if they decide they can't handle bringing up a baby. They can just wash their hands of the whole thing & disappear.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

yeah but some men aren't heartless tossers. and some women are.

equal of both i'd imagine.

[lilmissnaughty]

yeah but some men aren't heartless tossers. and some women are.

equal of both i'd imagine.

Can't argue with that - it's true.