[bumheed7]

and we hated you in 1994 when you werent even at the world cup.

its cos youre arrogant twats!

[DC]

well to be fair the media that are english based do talk about it a lot. and especially with all the rooney talk thats been happening latley even myself and a lot of other people i know wish they would give it a rest.

however as for the arrogance, well i dont think there is anything wrong in people getting behind their team no matter what country. some people are just more into following england than others. say if scotland got into the world cup or the european cup then scotland would probably be just as patriotic as we are.
some say we shall win it, and there are suprises in the world cup. but to be fair after seeing argentina play like they did today, and if we keep the performances of our last two games up. in comparison so far we wont beat them.

[bumheed7]

yeah scotland would be patriotic. but arrogance is a completely different thing!

[DC]

well all you are doing is judging the england fans on is what you hear and see in the media. yes if i was in a nuteral position (not scottish becuase you can hardly call that nuteral) then some of the comments that i see on sky news when the england fans are being interviewed are a bit over the top. like coming along and saying we'll thrash our next opponents 3-0, or somthing along those lines. they should of learned from liverpool in the fa cup final this year. i remember hearing a liverpool fan on radio 1 just before the final and he was predictiong 3 or 4 nil being as it was west ham, but it turned out completley different. so yes there is going over the top and you can call that arrogance. but thats really the type of comments that the media want people to hear. i dont see them broadcast negative or average comments on englands chances from people on the street all to often.

most people here just go down the pub with freinds and watch the game or stop at home. and hope we do well and try our best.

[bumheed7]

im not saying its arrogance from every fan in england.
its arrogance from all your pundits after a win! its relating everything to england or the premiership. were you aware that both holland scorers played in england? cos we were reminded about that a good 4 or 5 times!

[DC]

well if thats the case it is no good having a go at us on here. write to the bbc and ask if john motson can stop mentioning england.

[Mafro]

Yawn. England are in the World Cup, Scotland aren't, get over it.

[MK Chris]

yeah scotland would be patriotic. but arrogance is a completely different thing!

The trouble with Scots (not all Scots, but Scots in general) is they always believe they're hard done by and they always believe everything is biased towards England.

Go to Scotland and you have Scottish versions of all the major newspapers, and even a Scottish paper, the Daily Record, is sold all over England; you also have Scottish regional telly. I realise your TV coverage of the World Cup is the same as England's, but had Scotland qualified for the event, they would have had the same treatment as England.

[Mafro]

had Scotland qualified for the event, they would have had the same treatment as England.

Exactly.

[whytie]

Why do the Scots hate the English and yet we seem to like our neighbours.

Whytie an interesting post but I bet there are a whole heap of things the Scots do everyday in things invented by the English too. I'm torn here because you seem like a decent bloke except when it comes to your Scot-loving English-hating rants

I don't hate Englanders, contrary to that statement, I like Englanders, I've had some cracking nights out in England, with English people. What I don't like is England as a nation. Not because I'm bitter but because Great Britain seems to be classed as England. Believe it or not, Scots are actually a civilised race. You wouldn't think it though, the way some people go on. Londoners in particualr, they seem to think we still live in caves and don't have tele's.

Also, alot of it stems back to the days of William Wallace and when the English tried to oppress us. Yes, I know, its all history now, but as a fiercely patriotic nation these tales get passed down from father to son and films like Braveheart don't help. From Stirling to Bannockburn to Edinburgh you will always see reminders of the great battles we won, and it stirs up a degree of hatred. I don't think its personal though, not on my behalf anyway, its basically instilled into us chaps. Remember, we are a tiny nation compared to yous, and any victory, no matter how small is great, and will never be forgotten.

and we hated you in 1994 when you werent even at the world cup.

its cos youre arrogant twats!

LOL, get in there bumheed!

:roll:
well to be fair the media that are english based do talk about it a lot. and especially with all the rooney talk thats been happening latley even myself and a lot of other people i know wish they would give it a rest.

however as for the arrogance, well i dont think there is anything wrong in people getting behind their team no matter what country. some people are just more into following england than others. say if scotland got into the world cup or the european cup then scotland would probably be just as patriotic as we are.
some say we shall win it, and there are suprises in the world cup. but to be fair after seeing argentina play like they did today, and if we keep the performances of our last two games up. in comparison so far we wont beat them.

Fair play mate, a voice of reason.

Yawn. England are in the World Cup, Scotland aren't, get over it.

Mafro, dub yir mooth, are you Beckham in disguise?

The trouble with Scots (not all Scots, but Scots in general) is they always believe they're hard done by and they always believe everything is biased towards England.

Is it not? Come up here for a week and you'll realise the full extent of what we endure at the hands of English pundits.

[MK Chris]

You should have quoted the rest of the post, that's my argument as to how it's not biased.

[bumheed7]

I realise your TV coverage of the World Cup is the same as England's, but had Scotland qualified for the event, they would have had the same treatment as England.

Answer me this.
France '98. Opening match, Brazil vs Scotland. Was it the likes of Dougie Donnelly or Hazel Irvine presenting the show? As far as I can remember, it was Des Lynam with Jimmy Hill, Martin O' Neil (manager of an English club) and Englands number 1 pundit Alan Hansen.
So your point there is incorrect!

[Sidders]

Yeah, but Alan Hansen is Scottish...

[bumheed7]

Yeah, but Alan Hansen is Scottish...

yeah but he might as well be english and he is the 1st person on the list for English matches and the Premiership with Lineker and Lawrenson!

[Mafro]

Answer me this.
France '98. Opening match, Brazil vs Scotland. Was it the likes of Dougie Donnelly or Hazel Irvine presenting the show? As far as I can remember, it was Des Lynam with Jimmy Hill, Martin O' Neil (manager of an English club) and Englands number 1 pundit Alan Hansen.
So your point there is incorrect!

The fact that they presented it may have something to do with Lynam etc being the presenters and pundits of MOTD, and Donnelly and Irvine being awful.

[Mafro]

yeah but he might as well be english and he is the 1st person on the list for English matches and the Premiership with Lineker and Lawrenson!

That's because he's the best pundit the BBC have.

[bumheed7]

Answer me this.
France '98. Opening match, Brazil vs Scotland. Was it the likes of Dougie Donnelly or Hazel Irvine presenting the show? As far as I can remember, it was Des Lynam with Jimmy Hill, Martin O' Neil (manager of an English club) and Englands number 1 pundit Alan Hansen.
So your point there is incorrect!

The fact that they presented it may have something to do with Lynam etc being the presenters and pundits of MOTD, and Donnelly and Irvine being awful.

very well, but Tophers point is still wrong. England werent, and wont be in the future met with the sort of coverage that the English give the Scots. It would still be Lineker and Lawrenson being patronising bastards. Right or wrong?

[Mafro]

They would if Scotland qualified and England didn't.

[whytie]

They would if Scotland qualified and England didn't.

If Scotland qualified and England didn't we'd still hear more about England than Scotland, FACT!

[Mafro]

And what is your "FACT!!111ONE" based on?

[whytie]

And what is your "FACT!!111ONE" based on?

Based on the fact that most of them can't keep their mouths shut about England for more than 10 minutes.

[MK Chris]

I realise your TV coverage of the World Cup is the same as England's, but had Scotland qualified for the event, they would have had the same treatment as England.

Answer me this.
France '98. Opening match, Brazil vs Scotland. Was it the likes of Dougie Donnelly or Hazel Irvine presenting the show? As far as I can remember, it was Des Lynam with Jimmy Hill, Martin O' Neil (manager of an English club) and Englands number 1 pundit Alan Hansen.
So your point there is incorrect!

It's not though - insisting on purely Scottish pundits for Scottish matches and purely English pundits for English matches is simply xenophobic. In fact, it's healthy to have a mix of nationalities to represent a cross-section of the football community.

Gary Lineker is the BBC's main presenter of MOTD, as was Des Lynam at the time. It's not impossible that in the future there may be a Scotsman (or woman) as the main presenter, and if there is then so be it.

Moving away from the World Cup, if there is a Champion's League match on, or an international friendly and an English team (or England) is playing, the Beeb often get in someone involved with the non-English club to do some punditry - admittedly it's not so much the case for the World Cup, but I would imagine that's because of the cost of getting these one-off for one match only... Hansen and co are contracted to do the job, these people have to be persuaded to do it - and if you have to get a different person for each match, that could get very expensive.

They would if Scotland qualified and England didn't.

If Scotland qualified and England didn't we'd still hear more about England than Scotland, FACT!

No, I think you're wrong. But it's a hypothetical scenario and there's nothing anyone can do to prove it until it happens.

[Mafro]

ITV's treatemt of Rangers Champion's League games last season was infuriating. In England It was shown on ITV4 with the usual pundits and in Scotland it was shown on ITV1 (at the same time) in a completely different format, with Scottish pundits in place of another match eg. Chelsea v Barcelona 2nd leg. I understand this was for people in Scotland who don't have digital tv but this really pissed me off to no end.

[MK Chris]

It must be very hard to strike a decent balance though... You can never please everybody all the time.

[Mafro]

Yeah, but I was fuming because I missed the look on Lampard & co.'s faces as they were rightfully knocked out.