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By Console
#286528
Viv wrote:You should follow my example and just roll into town, and then roll back out again ....


I see. Now, if I credited you with more intelligence I would assume that you're using a clever form of psychology, in which you say (write) stupid things in which to throw me off balance and leave me unable to form a coherent argument. Alas, I just think that you're unable to form an argument (coherent or otherwise) and are just trying to change the subject again. A shame really, debates can be quite fun sometimes.
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By Vivienne
#286529
No, I'd smash plates over console's head. footloose is the only one I would look at... unfortunately, he's gay (!!).
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By Vivienne
#286532
and you don't credit moi with intelligence, console?
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By Console
#286533
I didn't say that, I said 'if I credited you with more intelligence', implying that you already have some (whether you actually do or not).
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By Vivienne
#286534
aaahhh... always have an answer, don't ya.. :-)
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By Boboff
#286535
Viv wrote:No, I'd smash plates over console's head. footloose is the only one I would look at... unfortunately, he's gay (!!).


QED I would say in answer to you question.

Two days ago you hated Footie, why the change ? because he is Gay I assume !
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By Vivienne
#286537
I just like him a lot, he's very smart without putting me down (unlike console), and he's a good soul. he's my fave on the forum.
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By Console
#286540
Viv wrote:aaahhh... always have an answer, don't ya.. :-)


Yes, especially when someone asks me a question.
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By Vivienne
#286541
Console wrote:
Viv wrote:You should follow my example and just roll into town, and then roll back out again ....


I see. Now, if I credited you with more intelligence I would assume that you're using a clever form of psychology, in which you say (write) stupid things in which to throw me off balance and leave me unable to form a coherent argument. Alas, I just think that you're unable to form an argument (coherent or otherwise) and are just trying to change the subject again. A shame really, debates can be quite fun sometimes.


If I had the time, I could debate you into the ground. Alas, being not logical, it is time for me to go for drinx and have something called fun!!
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By Console
#286544
Viv wrote:it is time for me to go for drinx and have something called fun!!


Are you implying that you do not know what 'fun' is?
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By Yudster
#286545
I will never mention my red shoes again.
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By Console
#286550
Viv wrote:without putting me down (unlike console)


When did I put you down?
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By Boboff
#286551
They do say that Religion is the Opiate of the masses.

It is used to sedate and control, give structure to society and meaning to our lives ( existence ?)

However having said all that you can't argue that we live in a world full of magic and experiences which are fantastic. Also I feel extremely lucky with who I am and what I have achieved, and I can't put this down to me, it has to be fate, and that some how something is helping me. I believe that this is becuase inherantly I am a good person. This is not really religous but it is, I beleive in God but not in the Church. That is a view I have held for many years, and I suppose as time progresses, it may change.

We are all lucky to be alive, and we should give thats for that, even if it's to ourselves.
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By foot-loose
#286565
Hmmm, anyways...

Console wrote:Actually, religion doesn't answer any question about the Big Bang, and unless you're religious the answer to the question about what happens after death is simple, nothing; you're dead.

I may have not made that part clear. I mean - where do we come from. The religions have their answer and science has its answer. However, the scientific answer doesn't have the answer to the bit before the big bang where as religions get that part over and done with with relative ease.

If there was nothing before the two wee particles collided and made the universe - where were the particles in the first place. Science can't quite get an answer to this yet, so its one of the two anchors that the churches are holding on to. I think its a bit of a pretty thin rope though.

Console wrote:Some do say the ignorance is bliss, but I, personally, would rather have my eyes open than have them shut tight, with my fingers in my ears shouting nah-ne-nah-ne-nah-nah.

Canna argue there.

Console wrote:Religion is fascinating, some of the mythology behind it is incredible. It is odd though, the more I learn about the various religions the less I understand how anyone could choose to believe in any one of them; what makes the one they chose correct?

Absolutly.

I remember seeing a documentary about the history of the catholic church and the bible.

I can't remember the whole facts, but the Bible was put together by the vatican in something like the 4th or 5th centuary. There was something in the region of 30 gospels which were whittled down to the ones that we know today. This was because the politics of the time wanted a standard story of Christ being told so they chose the versions which all agreed with each other.

Skip forward a few hundred years, and we meet Henry VIII. He wanted to divorce and remarry - something which the catholic church wasn't keen on so he moved Britain over to a Protestant nation and appointed himself the guy in charge. I think I'm right in saying he translated the Bible from latin into english and changed several chunks of it while doing so. Because at the time, only ministers and folk of the church could speak latin, no-one questioned these changes.

It always amuses me that people put so much faith into words that were written by men nearly two thousand years ago that were trying to protect their wealth and avoid wars etc and then re-written by a guy that chopped off his wives head if he wanted to marry someone else!

And then you get the whole question over the church and how trustworthy they are! But I cant be arsed typing all that out.

timp989 wrote:That is an acheivement! You've not been a member for that long!

:lol:
In other words: "you talk too much".

Viv wrote:I just like him a lot, he's very smart without putting me down (unlike console), and he's a good soul. he's my fave on the forum.

Thank you. Although I really don't understand you. :wink:

boboff wrote:It is used to sedate and control, give structure to society and meaning to our lives ( existence ?)

I think thats a valid statement, although I don't know how much it affects us now. Not in this country anyways, maybe in others, I don't know.

Whatever way you want to think about it is cool with me and as I have said, I do sometimes get jealous of those who have a belief that I can't.

I only get annoyed when people start pushing their ideas on others. I don't mind discussing it, but when it turns into an arguement which is basically "I'm right and your wrong" - thats when it needs to stop.
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By Console
#286574
foot-loose wrote:
Console wrote:Actually, religion doesn't answer any question about the Big Bang, and unless you're religious the answer to the question about what happens after death is simple, nothing; you're dead.

I may have not made that part clear. I mean - where do we come from. The religions have their answer and science has its answer. However, the scientific answer doesn't have the answer to the bit before the big bang where as religions get that part over and done with with relative ease.

If there was nothing before the two wee particles collided and made the universe - where were the particles in the first place. Science can't quite get an answer to this yet, so its one of the two anchors that the churches are holding on to. I think its a bit of a pretty thin rope though.


I see what you're saying, but no religion has actually given an answer to this. All religion (God) does is add another, completely useless, step in the problem. If God (or any combination of deity's) created the universe, what created the gods and the realm in which they reside? It is essentially the same question, except it's removed by one step.
By Ballbag
#286575
Unnamed quote-a-thon.... there for illegal....... I'm not reading it.
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By Yudster
#286576
Its ok, there's nothing new there.
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By foot-loose
#286577
Console wrote:I see what you're saying, but no religion has actually given an answer to this. All religion (God) does is add another, completely useless, step in the problem. If God (or any combination of deity's) created the universe, what created the gods and the realm in which they reside? It is essentially the same question, except it's removed by one step.

Ahh, I see what yer saying. Yea - tis a fair enough point. I suppose that the argument from the religions would be that God is everywhere and you don't need to question where he comes from. He has always been there and, at some point, got bored and started making people and apples that they wern't allowed to eat.

Its all a bit convenient for my liking, but their point of view is that you dont need to question it, you just believe.

Bag for balls wrote:Unnamed quote-a-thon.... there for illegal....... I'm not reading it.

It wasn't initially going to be released as a quote-a-thon hence the lack of title. I'll call it Quote-A-Thon XXI - The Discussion Of The Christ.

You should read it, its not often I get serious about a topic!

And Yuds - there is, I wrote a whole load about the Bible and the Catholic Church and Henry VIII. I may have made half of it up, i'm not sure, but its worth a read!

Damn it - I talk of goats and everyone listens, but when we get onto something a tad more BBC 2 and everyone buggers off to Channel 4!
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By Vivienne
#286580
Right ... where is he? I've got off my bus especially, i'm bursting for the loo, and there's no console ...
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By foot-loose
#286581
Does that mean you wouldn't have got off your bus otherwise?

This may be where your problem lies... ;)
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By Vivienne
#286582
My point to life, if you would like a little debate (and feel to disagree - I can't always be right, of course), is that I can't believe we are all here for something .. I read somewhere that everyone is here to learn something, and that for each person it's a different thing... what do you have to say to that??
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By Vivienne
#286583
foot-loose wrote:Does that mean you wouldn't have got off your bus otherwise?

This may be where your problem lies... ;)


what do you mean? where my PROBLEM lies? My blood is boiling now.
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By Console
#286585
Viv wrote:what do you have to say to that??


Do you believe in Free Will?
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By Vivienne
#286587
you're here ... good ... I don't believe we make our own choices, no... we think we do, but I think it's all pre-planned.
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By Console
#286588
Pre-planned by who?