[Boboff]

The NHS has stated that those with a BMO over 30 will not be given non routine opperations.

I was pleased as I have the same BMI as Chris, that is 35.

Apparently Joey from friends is 30, and Arnold SwartzaN****r ( best to be on the safe side) is 33, and as such would not qulaify.

Apparently John Prescott is reported as 32, personally I think he's a lying bastard.

Whats your BMI, and do you think that someone like Moyles should be excluded from routine NHS treatment for being "fat"

(to work it out take your weight in kg's and divide by you height squared[timsed by itself]) ie

if you weigh 12 stone, then this is 12x14lbs which is 168lb, divide this by 2.2046 ie about 70kgs, then your hieght say 1.6mtrs x 1.6mtrs = 2.56, therefore your BMI is 140/5 = 27, bonus you get a new knee !

[DemonHorse]

you censored Schwarzenegger?

[S4B]

That's too complicated. I'd hazard a guess that my BMI is well over 35, I'll just try and not get sick. It's not fair no but the underlying message is that the NHS is scared we'll sue if we die under anaesthetic - speaking for myself I don't intend to do anything when I die except haunt people so I don't know what they're worried about

[Boboff]

you censored Schwarzenegger?

It's the Cornish accent, you can't be to careful, I don't want to be a PC stooge.

[Nicola_Red]

I worked mine out a few months ago and it's 26 - so I am overweight. (Altho I didn't need a calculation to tell me that, the tightness of my pants lets me know just fine.)

I'm not sure what I think about the NHS thing - on the one hand I think if we have a free health service it should be free regardless, on the other I think we should take some responsibility for our own health to an extent and if we choose to eat ourselves into oblivion, than we have to accept that it's our own fault to some degree. I think Chris does that, I never hear him try and seriously blame anyone, or anything, else for his weight.

[DemonHorse]

I worked mine out a few months ago and it's 26 - so I am overweight. (Altho I didn't need a calculation to tell me that, the tightness of my pants lets me know just fine.)

I'm not sure what I think about the NHS thing - on the one hand I think if we have a free health service it should be free regardless, on the other I think we should take some responsibility for our own health to an extent and if we choose to eat ourselves into oblivion, than we have to accept that it's our own fault to some degree. I think Chris does that, I never hear him try and seriously blame anyone, or anything, else for his weight.

I think it tends to be in America where parents of fat kids try suing McDonalds etc for it... not their own or the kids fault at all. Rarely hear of it here.

[Nicola_Red]

But you hear stuff about 'big-boned' and 'slow metabolism' often enough. I find overweight people are often looking for something else to blame, rather than accepting that they just put too many cakes in their mouth.

[foot-loose]

To lose weight, follow Mr Connollys simple two step plan:

1) Eat less.
2) Move more.

[Nicola_Red]

You have the nail on the head there footloose. If only, for people with disordered eating, "eat less" was as simple to put into practice as it is to say.

[foot-loose]

haha, I've been trying to follow his plan for a good while now - I never said it was easy!

[Yudster]

You have the nail on the head there footloose. If only, for people with disordered eating, "eat less" was as simple to put into practice as it is to say.

Disordered eating - what a lovely way to put it. My eating - or approach to eating anyway - is deeply disordered, and I have only recently been able to overcome it. I have never been bulimic, and never completely anorexic, but there are more problems you can have with food than just those two. For me its about why I eat, what indulging in comfort food represents to me, and what it "replaces" in my life. The only way I have been able to regularise the way I eat is to get to the bottom of those issues, and that took a long time. I still have a tendency to overeat and to binge when I am stressed (anyone remember my "I just ate a whole packet of Tesco chocolate chip cookies in fifteen minutes" thread last year?!), or to eat nothing but cucumber and cottage cheese in tiny quantities for a few weeks, but I'm able to hold it together mostly!

[Nicola_Red]

You have the nail on the head there footloose. If only, for people with disordered eating, "eat less" was as simple to put into practice as it is to say.

Disordered eating - what a lovely way to put it. My eating - or approach to eating anyway - is deeply disordered, and I have only recently been able to overcome it. I have never been bulimic, and never completely anorexic, but there are more problems you can have with food than just those two. For me its about why I eat, what indulging in comfort food represents to me, and what it "replaces" in my life. The only way I have been able to regularise the way I eat is to get to the bottom of those issues, and that took a long time. I still have a tendency to overeat and to binge when I am stressed (anyone remember my "I just ate a whole packet of Tesco chocolate chip cookies in fifteen minutes" thread last year?!), or to eat nothing but cucumber and cottage cheese in tiny quantities for a few weeks, but I'm able to hold it together mostly!

Yeah, I used that phrase cos if you say "with an eating disorder" people take that to mean bulimic or anorexic, and whilst I am neither, I too have a pretty poor relationship with food. I've been alternating between dieting and eating too much rubbish since I was about eight years old, and I swing wildly between being comfortable with my size and literally hating my body - like, looking in the mirror and bursting into tears. I can't enjoy any food for what it is - I can only see it in terms of fat and calorie content. I get the feeling I'll never change - I've pretty much accepted it.

[Walter Sobchak]

But you hear stuff about 'big-boned' and 'slow metabolism' often enough. I find overweight people are often looking for something else to blame, rather than accepting that they just put too many cakes in their mouth.

I've never really understood that, My sister, My niece and my cousin are very skinny but they eat loads, I took my sister out for a meal a while ago and she cost me a fortune.
Whereas a friend of mine is plump, as in not obese, but certainly carrying a bit of extra baggage, she picks at her food, and always leaves loads, she is also allergic to milk and milk products, which include cheese, chocolate, cream etc, I got to know her because she kept the horse I used to ride, and she plays in a ladies rugby team.

In general there is some truth in what you say, but there must be more to it than that.

I certainly feel that obese people eat too much and exercise too little, but the process by which they get to that is often because they are naturally bigger than what is the norm in society, and through others learn to hate themselves, which leads to overeating, and being scared of exercise.

When I was younger I was VERY skinny, (I'm not skinny now) my first job on leaving school was delivering furniture, little old ladies used to ask if they could help, because i looked to weak to carry anything!

[Walter Sobchak]

Until last year I was happy with how I looked but it got to the point where I couldn't stand how big I was becoming and so started dieting and it all went wrong from there really.

I loathe the diet industry!
It's all about finding the right balance for your body;
Eat at regular times - 3 meals a day, starting with Breakfast, don't comfort eat EVER, Only snack if you need to rebuild your metabolism, i.e; because you've been doing some hard graft.
exercise regularly, and allow your body to rest, that is get proper sleep,(if someone tells you you snore, you're not sleeping properly, see a doctor), regard sleep as your body's nightshift, where the 'workers' (all on overtime?!) do a lot of jobs that can't be done while you're awake.

and through the diet crap in the bin! (it's a well-known fact that people that use diet aids usually put the weight back on plus a little more each time, so if you keep on dieting you'll eventually be bigger than you wanted to be)

[foot-loose]

I loathe the diet industry!
It's all about finding the right balance for your body;
Eat at regular times - 3 meals a day, starting with Breakfast, don't comfort eat EVER, Only snack if you need to rebuild your metabolism, i.e; because you've been doing some hard graft.
exercise regularly, and allow your body to rest, that is get proper sleep,(if someone tells you you snore, you're not sleeping properly, see a doctor), regard sleep as your body's nightshift, where the 'workers' (all on overtime?!) do a lot of jobs that can't be done while you're awake.

and through the diet crap in the bin! (it's a well-known fact that people that use diet aids usually put the weight back on plus a little more each time, so if you keep on dieting you'll eventually be bigger than you wanted to be)

**applauds**

Well said sir.

[Yudster]

Absolutely on the mark, exactly the guidance that everyone needs to follow - but the people who need to know that are the people who have already lost that particular plot, and unfortunately the normal routine doesn't help you if you have already gone over the edge. I have had weight issues in the past, but for me my eating issues are more to do with other matters pretty much unrelated to my weight. Its easy to be simplistic on the subject, but for some people its a lot more complicated than you present, Walt.

[Walter Sobchak]

It is indeed Yudster, but I was 'off on one' as my mum would say.
Maintaining sensible living is difficult and complex in our world.

[Yudster]

I think my point is that maintaining a "sensible" lifestyle is not that difficult - the difficulty is in achieving a sensible lifestyle either in the foirst place, or when you have already slid down the other side.

[unclejoesmintballs]

im 19 stone and 6'5'' im happy ive never been on a diet i eat vast quantitys of food and drink vast quantitys of j.d. im happy because i enjoy both. put simply im fat and i enjoy it

[S4B]

I find this very hard to talk about because I have a weight problem. I have a very physical job and do as much exercise as I can, I eat very sensibly and don't eat junk or snack at all. My doc has told me that I should accept who I am as I'm very healthy even though I'm overweight. I can only lose weight if I cut down to under 500 calories a day which my doc told me off about. I have a thyroid that doesn't work at all and I have to take thyroxine every day for the rest of my life to keep me alive.

It REALLY hurts when people jeer and insult me about my weight, which happens a lot even when I'm walking down the street. I can't find nice clothes that fit and anyone who thinks I choose to look like this has no idea of the anguish I have every day when I look in a mirror and see the fat ugly woman staring back at me that I don't recognise as me.

[unclejoesmintballs]

s4b i admire you for sharing that with us

[Yudster]

Glad to hear it, being happy and at peace with your body image and lifestyle is a great thing. But out of interest, and this is not a criticism at all, do the myriad health implications of being "overweight" concern you at all? I had a period in my life when I was very overweight, and the main reason I managed to change that (although I did it in completely the wrong way) was because of the aching and general feeling crap and being unable to do anything quickly!

[S4B]

s4b i admire you for sharing that with us

Thank you. I wasn't going to join in this thread cos it upsets me but thought I had a duty to as a fat person

[Yudster]

S4B, there is a picture of you which I see every time I log onto this forum which tells me you are incredibly pretty and have a brilliant smile. I bet you light up a room. You are a star.

[S4B]

awww thanks honey, it's just not what I see.