[markool89]

i dont dissagree about giving money to help other countrys. i say help all the freaking way. i just wish the government would give as much to their own country, as they do to others!

[Console]

Your good at juggling, not matters of national finances, therefore I suggest you stick to what you are good at.

What proof do you have that he's good at juggling?

[MK Chris]

It doesnt matter how many come into the country,(although i do mind most of them taking all the schools and hospitol places)

So your policy would be let as many in as we like, but they're not allowed education or hospital treatment?

Ohh, you should get yourself into politics and fast!*

I don't have a problem with people who come into the country and work for a living, it's those who come into the country and live off the dole that are the problem.

* That was a joke. Please don't.

#3 I prefer "The Daily Star" to "the sun".

That figures.

[Yudster]

i dont dissagree about giving money to help other countrys. i say help all the freaking way. i just wish the government would give as much to their own country, as they do to others!

Mark, read boboff's post. Then read it again. Then actually READ it. When you've taken it in, come back and look at this - but don't be too embarrassed, we all make mistakes.

[Walter Sobchak]

I do understand that many people want to see 'foreigners' blamed for everything wrong, (can't be our own kind can it?) but its certainly not the case where I live, a walk to my local shop and you can see plenty of English white teen gangs wearing hoodies and fighting and being abusive to anyone nearby.

I know of several English white single women who have been bumped up the housing waiting list (usually as a result of social services lobbying on their behalf) because they're recovering drug addicts or single mothers or both

I see no problem in an open Europe, in fact the benefits we get from people working, and spending in this country are huge.

But thats not the problem thats been highlighted by the hacks despite much of their scaremongering.
If you want to comment on the problem then you should research it better in the first place, and not rely on the diarrhoea that is printed in the Press.

The problem is mismanagement by the government, which is something they've (almost) admitted too.

If you have more people living in an area than you need the infrastructure to grow with it, so the government not having the correct numbers means people are being housed in areas with a now failing infrastructure.

But this Government is particularly crap at dealing with this kind of thing, and seem to want to please Daily Nazi, sorry Daily Mail (easy mistake) readers, take their reduction in SAWs (Seasonal Agricultural Workers) policy, which led to may farmers (especially soft fruit) having to let their crop die, as nobody from this country would be prepared to do the work.

[Ballbag]

i dont dissagree about giving money to help other countrys. i say help all the freaking way. i just wish the government would give as much to their own country, as they do to others!

hahahahahah ace. I guess you haven't done GCSE Economics.

[markool89]

ach!
so how on earth does australia cope? they seem to do alright from not having floods of people going to their country.
the extra people we have to take is taking all our housing. which leads to huge house prices(which im sure you all know about!)
Have you heard the "experts" saying we are going to have a house price fall in the near future? thats impossiable. if you say "no" then your wrong!!
and okay, there should be a budget for hospitols, but it should be high, so people dont die for no reason.

[Ballbag]

hahahaha, mark are you 10 years old?

Unfortunatly life is not as simple as you like to make out, I wish it were.

For the record, I don't think that a house price fall is impossible, and I'm not wrong.

[Vivienne]

I can't get my head around this thread at all.

[foot-loose]

Basically Mark - its commendable that you are showing an interest in current affairs etc etc, but I think some of what you are saying is based on unfounded claims that are in the papers. It sounds very much like someone in a pub going "...and another thing, we should ban children. Children cause more problems than any other age group. Ban them all!". I don't know a huge amount about this subject which is why I am keeping pretty quiet on it - if I wanted to get involved, I would go and find out more information on it first.

In arguements / discussions like these, knowledge is power - if you know sod all, those that know more will pick holes in your argument until it bleeds a slow and painful death. For more info, see your "no budget for the NHS" campaign above.

As I said though, don't let that put you off. Go and find out about it then come back and kick Bawbags ass - that would make me laugh.

NOTE: Treat most stuff printed in the papers as bullsh*t. Treat most things that folk tell you about this sorta stuff as the bullsh*t they read in the paper.

[Bruvva]

I don't have a problem with people who come into the country and work for a living, it's those who come into the country and live off the dole that are the problem.

Can I just nip this one in the bud - immigrants are allowed no recourse to public funds such as the dole. So you can't just arrive here from another country and start claiming.

[Walter Sobchak]

ach!
so how on earth does australia cope? they seem to do alright from not having floods of people going to their country.

Umm, they do, and despite Australia being a much much bigger country, with less population per square mile than UK they still have problems, like the Cronulla riots.

I don't have a problem with people who come into the country and work for a living, it's those who come into the country and live off the dole that are the problem.

Can I just nip this one in the bud - immigrants are allowed no recourse to public funds such as the dole. So you can't just arrive here from another country and start claiming.

That is correct, they also don't have an instant or automatic right to social housing neither.

[markool89]

well in my mind your all wrong! why would they come here if they didnt get housing/money etc etc?
they come here TO do that!
and with the housing thing.... this country needs to build 200 houses A DAY to satisfy THEM! and then this country also has to give away 1mill an hour to that stupid europe thing, of which we take very little out, and the rest of europe(including the new countrys, poland etc) take from it, like its their money! we are building spains roads!! thats a fact!
im right! and you are all wrong! im not gonna give in, so you should!....

[S4B]

Mark they come here for a better life and in my experience most of them are more hardworking than many brits. Before you have a go at them lets sort out the lazy people on the dole who refuse to take the jobs that the immigrants will do.

By the way, the way to win an arguement is not to say "I'm right and you are all wrong" it is to produce a balanceed arguement which you are not doing!

[markool89]

hehe maybe so, but the government arent training the "lazy" people. then we wouldnt "need" them.

[foot-loose]

lets sort out the lazy people on the dole who refuse to take the jobs that the immigrants will do.

Chop their nackers off!

Infact, I think forced neutering might solve a lot of problems in society!

"Caught selling drugs to kids? Chop their baws off!"
"Caught stealing from old ladies? Chop their baws off!"
"Caught listening to Scott Mills? Chop their baws off!"


Simple.

[markool89]

if they did that in africa, it would be a better place.
not so many people=happiness!! (^_^)
its not all about quantity you know!!

[Ezza]

foots - good idea. i agree that would solve a lot of problems... i can't think why it wouldn't work anyway

[foot-loose]

I think africa has a few more problems than we do.

[MK Chris]

For every lazy, workshy, ignorant foreigner you can find me, I'll find you 10 Englishmen in the same mould.

[Ezza]

For every lazy, workshy, ignorant foreigner you can find me, I'll find you 10 Englishmen in the same mould.

or english woman...

[S4B]

hehe maybe so, but the government arent training the "lazy" people. then we wouldnt "need" them.

No training needed for cleaning!!!!!

[foot-loose]

For every lazy, workshy, ignorant foreigner you can find me, I'll find you 10 Englishmen in the same mould.

or english woman...

Chop their baws off as well!

[Boboff]

hehe maybe so, but the government arent training the "lazy" people. then we wouldnt "need" them.

Mark

I have had the privilege to employ a great number of Kurdish, Portuguese, Polish, Checks, Thai's, and even the off English. Of all the people I have ever recruited for Seasonal Work ( over the last 12 years that must be well over a 1000 now) the worst by far is the White English Teenage Male. They are all taught there bigoted and work shy attitudes from there various Uncles who come in and abuse there mother over the years. They read the Daily Sport and have earings, think its acceptable to physically touch your own genitalia in public, as well as spit. They take there liberal induced schooling attitude of "you can't touch me / shout at me / make me do as you say" into the work place. Obviously this is unacceptable. They don't stay, they don't work, but they get the benefits whilst enjoying the benefits of stolen cars, selling drugs, and generally being chav's. They are offered all sorts of retraining monies, and often spiral out of control.

Now the Kurds and Polish for example arrive here and can earn in a week what they would take 6 weeks to earn in their own country. They often share a bedsit with 3 or 4 other people in a house with maybe 30 or 40 others. What the do give each other and to us is respect. The Kurds especially meet and greet their friends with hand shakes, smiles. The are Polite and hardworking, and do respond to requests for them to do a job a certain way. They have a "code" and will not stab a white person, but will use a knife to settle disputes between there own sort. Those that do are deported though. I have many Kurdish friends who have since the fall of Sadam returned to Iraq, and are working in the Police and in other roles. I have some Kurds who worked for me for 6 or 7 years, and have grown as people, and improved there English, bought, taxed and Insured Cars, and send half there money home to their families every week. What they faced in Iraq was Death, and witnessing there sisters and mothers being raped and humiliated.

There are always exceptions, which Society and the Police should and mostly do take care of.

So young man, there you are with the privilege of a Family, NHS support, Free Schooling, and access to benefits, and you say that these generally good people who can not have these things, so have to work at anything, even cleaning, just to eat, are in some way inferior to you. I can say categorically that they are not. They are decent human beings, that work for necessity, and sure if they have children, then we should educate them, if they are ill surely we should treat them. In any just and right society this should happen.

As foots says, your attitudes are those taken by the mass media, and probably by your Dad. They are wrong.

My Dad has those self same attitudes, he is a racist and a bigot, until I was about 24 I did have those same attitudes. BUT life has a way of educating you on these things, one day hopefully you will learn, and not be part of a generation perpetuation of this, most despicable off attitudes.

[foot-loose]

the worst by far is the White English Teenage Male. They are all taught there bigoted and work shy attitudes from there various Uncles who come in and abuse there mother over the years. They read the Daily Sport and have earings, think its acceptable to physically touch your own genitalia in public, as well as spit. They take there liberal induced schooling attitude of "you can't touch me / shout at me / make me do as you say" into the work place. Obviously this is unacceptable. They don't stay, they don't work, but they get the benefits whilst enjoying the benefits of stolen cars, selling drugs, and generally being chav's. They are offered all sorts of retraining monies, and often spiral out of control.

ye know what you can do to their baws dontcha!