[S4B]

H G Wells I'm sure would turn in his grave to hear me say this but I believe that there are many genres of Science Fiction now which is possibly what leads me to believe that Lost is not Sci Fi in the sense of Star Trek. It may indeed be truer "Science Fiction" as Mr Wells believed but to most of us Science Fiction is based in space or involves aliens of one form or another. It is certainly that form of Science Fiction which leads us to think "GEEK" rather than the Lost variety of the genre.

[Bruvva]

H G Wells I'm sure would turn in his grave to hear me say this but I believe that there are many genres of Science Fiction now which is possibly what leads me to believe that Lost is not Sci Fi in the sense of Star Trek. It may indeed be truer "Science Fiction" as Mr Wells believed but to most of us Science Fiction is based in space or involves aliens of one form or another. It is certainly that form of Science Fiction which leads us to think "GEEK" rather than the Lost variety of the genre.

So to summarise, "it's not science fiction if I like it".

[Yudster]

**tries very hard not to burst out laughing**

**fails**

[Zoot]

H G Wells I'm sure would turn in his grave to hear me say this but I believe that there are many genres of Science Fiction now which is possibly what leads me to believe that Lost is not Sci Fi in the sense of Star Trek. It may indeed be truer "Science Fiction" as Mr Wells believed but to most of us Science Fiction is based in space or involves aliens of one form or another. It is certainly that form of Science Fiction which leads us to think "GEEK" rather than the Lost variety of the genre.

So to summarise, "it's not science fiction if I like it".

*Applauds Bruvva

[foot-loose]

H G Wells I'm sure would turn in his grave to hear me say this but I believe that there are many genres of Science Fiction now which is possibly what leads me to believe that Lost is not Sci Fi in the sense of Star Trek. It may indeed be truer "Science Fiction" as Mr Wells believed but to most of us Science Fiction is based in space or involves aliens of one form or another. It is certainly that form of Science Fiction which leads us to think "GEEK" rather than the Lost variety of the genre.

So to summarise, "it's not science fiction if I like it".

haha

Well played.

[S4B]

So to summarise, "it's not science fiction if I like it".

Not true at all!
I like Star Wars. I used to enjoy Star Trek. Battlestar Gallactica is also a favourite of mine. I was merely pointing out that there are different styles of this all encompassing genre "Science Fiction" and what it currently classified as Sci Fi by the majority does not actually include programmes like Lost.

[MK Chris]

You've been watching Heroes too, you must class that as Science Fiction?

I'd say that what I've heard about Lost (including what I've read about it in this thread) would put it in the 'Science Fiction' category for me.

[S4B]

Yes Topher I class Heroes as Science Fiction it has people with superpowers in it!

[foot-loose]

In my 'uneducated on such subjects' view - i'm not sure what other category it could go it. Is it not the first programme of its kind anyway?

At the moment, id agree that it should be a sci-fi but since they don't bloody tell you whats going on anyway - that could change.

[S4B]

I think maybe there should be sub genres of Sci Fi. Fantasy fiction is already taken out of the Sci Fi mix although books such as Anne McCaffrey's Pern series that technically should be Sci Fi as they are set on another planet end up being classified as fantasy as they have dragons in them. Terry Pratchett is not classified as Science Fiction but as fantasy and his books are also set on a different planet and involve many weird time space continuum issues. There's even a book called the "Science of the Discworld" yet the series is still classified as fantasy.

[Console]

I don't know about the Anne McCaffrey's Pern series of books, but the Discworld books involve a lot of magic, which removes any possibility of it being Sci-Fi. Being set on a different planet (or in space) isn't really enough for something to be Sci-Fi.

[S4B]

They also include Time & space issues. You should read the Science of the Discworld Console it might aid your understanding.

[Console]

They also include Time & space issues. You should read the Science of the Discworld Console it might aid your understanding.

I've got it somewhere. Having 'time & space issues' is irrelevant, though, as there is a lot of magic within the Discoworld novels - magic is not allowed in Sci-Fi.

[S4B]

See this is a difficult genre to categorise.

[Bruvva]

See this is a difficult genre to categorise.

Not really, it's pretty obvious when something's science fiction it's just that people associate SF with nerds and geeks and therefore come up with the most ridiculous arguments to try and convince themselves and other people that it isn't. For example :

I think it's less Sci-Fi and more moral and theological fiction. I believe the general idea is that these people are actually lost souls, surely that is more theological than Science Fiction? I don't think you can compare Lost with Star Trek or Star Wars the things are just not comparable on any level!

So SF can't have moral or theological themes? Must come as a shock to people like Philip K Dick or Doris Lessing.

It's funny when writers themselves insist that what they've written isn't science fiction, look at Jeanette Winterson's "Stone Gods" : set in a distant future where genetic fixing has eliminated ageing and an advanced AI robot can be your soulmate/partner. But according to her interview in New Scientist, she declares that she "hates science fiction".

[Andy B]

Torchwood surely goes into the Sci-Fi stuff? I love that and I loved Hereos and when I was younger I really did quite like Stargate. I'm still cool*

*kewl (just for you Cat)

What's wrong with Stargate now? Alright the last few episodes of Season 4 of Atlantis have been a bit poor but Season 5 is in production and even though Tori Higgson has said she doesn't want to be a part of it I'm sure it'll be great especially considering the killer ending Season 4 is supposed to have! Plus Carson Beckett will be returning in some form or another.

As for SG1 - "The Ark of Truth" is due out soon and Continuum looks good too.

Then of course you've got the new spin off Stargate - Universe set on a Deadalus Class Ship and in Autumn of this year the MMORPG Stargate - Worlds is released.

Damn - may have given away my other secrect geeky passion there.

[foot-loose]

Wow!

I didn't think anyone else watched Stargate! Carson was great, it was a shame when he died. The Ark Of Truth... is this a film??

Another SG spin off - wicked!

[Console]

Carson was great, it was a shame when he died.

A shame, yes; but, it did mean that Jewel Strait got to be the new doctor. Every cloud, etc.

The Ark Of Truth... is this a film??

It's a direct to DVD movie, which is being released next month (I think).

[foot-loose]

Carson was great, it was a shame when he died.

A shame, yes; but, it did mean that Jewel Strait got to be the new doctor. Every cloud, etc.

Hah - well, different perspectives etc.

[Andy B]

Ark of truth is released MArch 11th in the U.S. so could be anything up to another 5 months before it's out over here so I'll get it from Amazon.com and just watch it on my multi region DVD player cos I'm sad like that!

Foot's may I suggest that once in a while you check out http://www.gateworld.net everyonce in a while....

[foot-loose]

That would make me a stargate geek though as oppose to someone who just enjoys the show...

[S4B]

Ok, I watched this last night. What was all the fuss about? Stupid people doing the usual stupid stuff that happens in horror movies just with infinitely worse camera work, and yes I know the camera work stuff was part of the point of the thing!

When the escaped the mini monsters in the subway and got into what was, presumably, a maintenance room with a crowbar, snack machine and water why did they not take the crowbar as a weapon against the little monsters? (admittedly it wouldn't have worked well against the big one)

When they left the army guys - who told them where & when the helicopter would be available to pick them up - why did they not say to the guy who let them leave "can we have a gun?"

When did you last have a video camera battery that lasted more than 4 hours constant use?

Why did the helicopter take them on a sightseeing tour of the destruction and the monster rather than getting the hell out of there?

I would say it was totally unrealistic but then an alien destroying Manhattan with its army of little aliens is hardly believable so I can't say that I suppose.

[Andy B]

Ok, I watched this last night. What was all the fuss about? Stupid people doing the usual stupid stuff that happens in horror movies just with infinitely worse camera work, and yes I know the camera work stuff was part of the point of the thing!

When the escaped the mini monsters in the subway and got into what was, presumably, a maintenance room with a crowbar, snack machine and water why did they not take the crowbar as a weapon against the little monsters? (admittedly it wouldn't have worked well against the big one)

Because it's big and heavy and cumbersome.

When they left the army guys - who told them where & when the helicopter would be available to pick them up - why did they not say to the guy who let them leave "can we have a gun?"

Because the army aren't in the habit of handing out guns to civilians

When did you last have a video camera battery that lasted more than 4 hours constant use?

It isn't in constant use for four hours. It's in constant use for 78 mins the length of the film and by a staggering coincidence the length of most standave DV8 tapes.

Why did the helicopter take them on a sightseeing tour of the destruction and the monster rather than getting the hell out of there?

Because Manhatten was about to be nuked so I presume they wanted to put as much distance between them and the island as possible, so it's a trade of really of speed versus height, also when surrounded by tall buildings I presume it's quite a bad idea to start travelling really quickly

I would say it was totally unrealistic but then an alien destroying Manhattan with its army of little aliens is hardly believable so I can't say that I suppose.

You have to suspend belief for most films of this type to enjoy them fully, my only beef with the film is when they are in the electronics store with everyone looting and yet you can hear two characters having a conversation at a normal volume, where were all the shouting hoardes then eh?

Oh and you should read some of the "conspiracy theories" that have popped up on the net about where the monster came from and what happened at the end of the film. All stuff about satalites and drinks companies called Slusho! or something like that...where these people get their ideas from I have no idea?

[Yudster]

Geek.

[Console]

Ignoring the biological problems a creature that size would have (that really broke my 'suspension of disbelief'), the only problem I had with the film is that is was boring.