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- Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:05 pm
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I tend to just kinda gloss over these sorta things in the news, but I've been watching this story develop for the past while and it's sickened me.
How the HELL can these people think that what they are doing is going to benifit them or the rest of their religion??
I am a very tolerant person - race / religion doesn't often really come into anything as far as i'm concerned: as long as you arn't buggering up anyone elses life, i'm cool with whatever. However, frankly, when I read things like this the first thing that comes into my head is "if you don't like it here, f*ck off to wherever you came from and live there. Quit trying to make our country like yours."
These are the people who are the first to complain about racist / religious differences but then they go and do something like this ... what do they expect?! It's all well and good to say "you can't tar everyone with the one brush" but it's the nutcases that are getting all the bad press. I might be being very ignorant by saying this and if so, then I apologise, but since this is such a minority that believe that these sort of actions are the way forward, what are the rest of the people in the religion doing to stop them? If this was my religion - I would want to know what was being done to stop the constant stream of negative and downright disturbing press which it was receiving. And I mean something a damn site better than some random spokesman on News 24 saying "we do not condone this behaviour at all blah blah."
On the upside, I am glad to see that the system worked. This **** should be left to rot for the rest of his days in the sh*ttest conditions possible. And the same goes for anyone who knew about this and did nothing about it.
BBC News wrote:Soldier kidnap plotter given life
Khan had extreme Islamist views, the judge said
A man who planned to kill a Muslim soldier serving in the British Army has been jailed for life.
Parviz Khan, 37, from Birmingham, admitted the plot and to supplying equipment to the Taleban last month.
He planned to snatch the serviceman and decapitate him. Four others have also been found guilty over the plot.
On Monday, a Leicester Crown Court jury cleared Amjad Mahmood, 32, from Birmingham, of knowing about the plan but failing to inform authorities.
Khan was told he would serve a minimum of 14 years.
'Absolutely serious'
The security services had placed a bug in Khan's Alum Rock home, and this provided much of the evidence in the case.
Sentencing, Mr Justice Henriques said Khan had extreme Islamist views and was a fanatic.
"It's plain that you were absolutely serious and determined to bring this plot to fruition," he said.
Prosecutor Nigel Rumfitt QC told the court Khan was "enraged" by the notion of Muslim soldiers in the British Army.
Mr Rumfitt said: "Khan decided to kidnap such a soldier with the help of drug dealers operating in Birmingham. He would be taken to a lock-up garage and there he would be murdered by having his head cut off like a pig.
"This would be filmed - they would have the soldier's ID to prove who he was and the film would be released through Khan's terrorist network to cause panic and fear with the British armed forces and the wider public."
Khan wanted to burn the soldier's body and parade his head on a stick, the court heard.
He was claiming benefits of more than £20,000 a year while he was organising the plot.
The court also heard that he indoctrinated his small child with hate, getting him to chant that he hated various figures, including Tony Blair and George Bush.
In November 2006 the security services recorded a conversation Khan had with co-defendant Basiru Gassama.
Khan was heard outlining his plan: "We give the judgment... well then cut it off like you cut a pig, man.
"Then you put it on a stick. Then we throw the body, burn it, send the video to the chacha (uncles, a term for Mujahideen leaders in Afghanistan or Pakistan).
"This is what they call you will terrorise them, they will go crazy. They will start searching... London, Birmingham, Newcastle, where are these people?"
Khan explained the soldier would be befriended by drug dealers before being kidnapped in the city's Broad Street district.
The jury was told that Khan had wanted Gassama, a Gambian national, to help identify the victim of the plot.
But when Gassama had failed to provide details of a target, the plan "lay dormant" after July 2006, Mr Rumfitt said, only to be revived in November 2006.
The court heard Khan was the hub of the cell which organised four shipments of equipment to armed groups based in Pakistan and operating against coalition forces in Afghanistan.
'Fanaticism and fantasy'
The men were arrested in a series of high-profile raids in Birmingham at the end of January last year after an investigation led by West Midlands Police Counter-Terrorism Unit.
The officer who led the operation said Khan had been determined to carry out the plot, which he believed had been "at least supported" by al-Qaeda.
Detective Superintendent Liam O'Brien said: "I strongly believe that if we hadn't taken action when we took it, we would be sitting here now talking about the kidnap and murder of a British soldier among other things."
He would not say how far the plot was from being carried out when they intervened.
Khan's QC, Michael Wolkind, said in mitigation that his client's plot had been a "mixture of fanaticism and fantasy".
Referring to the covert monitoring of Khan, he said: "If there had been a genuine threat, the buggers would have stopped it much earlier. There was a long way to go."
Media leaks
Mr Justice Henriques also criticised leaks which led to reports of the plot in the media shortly after the men's arrests, saying they constituted a "very grave contempt of court".
An inquiry by the Metropolitan Police failed to discover the source of the leaks.
Gassama, 30, of Hodge Hill, Birmingham, pleaded guilty at a previous hearing to a failure to disclose information about the plot.
He was jailed for two years. He will be released as he has already been in custody for 381 days, but it is recommended he is deported.
Mohammed Irfan, 31, of Ward End, Birmingham and Zahoor Iqbal, 30, of Perry Barr, Birmingham, both pleaded guilty to engaging in conduct with the intention of assisting in the commission of acts of terrorism - namely helping Khan to supply the equipment.
Irfan was jailed for four years and Iqbal jailed for seven years.
Hamid Elasmar, 44, of Edgbaston, Birmingham, who was found guilty of the same charge, was jailed for three years and four months.
How the HELL can these people think that what they are doing is going to benifit them or the rest of their religion??
I am a very tolerant person - race / religion doesn't often really come into anything as far as i'm concerned: as long as you arn't buggering up anyone elses life, i'm cool with whatever. However, frankly, when I read things like this the first thing that comes into my head is "if you don't like it here, f*ck off to wherever you came from and live there. Quit trying to make our country like yours."
These are the people who are the first to complain about racist / religious differences but then they go and do something like this ... what do they expect?! It's all well and good to say "you can't tar everyone with the one brush" but it's the nutcases that are getting all the bad press. I might be being very ignorant by saying this and if so, then I apologise, but since this is such a minority that believe that these sort of actions are the way forward, what are the rest of the people in the religion doing to stop them? If this was my religion - I would want to know what was being done to stop the constant stream of negative and downright disturbing press which it was receiving. And I mean something a damn site better than some random spokesman on News 24 saying "we do not condone this behaviour at all blah blah."
On the upside, I am glad to see that the system worked. This **** should be left to rot for the rest of his days in the sh*ttest conditions possible. And the same goes for anyone who knew about this and did nothing about it.
