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By MK Chris
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An unexpected silver, cracking! I know we had three high jumpers in the final, but a medal still wasn't expected. Well done that man.

I'd mention the cyclists, but then it's a given that they did well.. except in the Madison, where Wiggins looked knackered to be fair.
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By Yudster
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do feel a bit sorry for mark Cavendish though - the only member of the team not to get a medal! He'll have to polish up the stories of his unprecedented 4 stage wins in the Tour de France this year to make up for it.
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By MK Chris
#356124
Yeah I agree, especially when you consider that he finished the Tour early so he was fresh for the Olympics. I'm sure I read that anyway.

I've read comments where people have mentioned that maybe it would have been better to replace Wiggins with someone less tired - but surely you go with a team that you know works well.
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By MK Chris
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(This may annoy Ballbag, but I'm posting it anyway.)

What an incredible 400m race! Now, I am with Bruvva as far as Ohuruogu's ban is concerned and actually I would like to see her drug tested, but assuming she wasn't on anything, that was a very, very exciting race. Unfortunately there always will be that little bit of doubt until she is tested because of her missed tests in the past.. I dunno, mixed feelings about that one, but the race itself was brilliant.
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By Bruvva
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Meanwhile, in the football, Argentina have humped the Brazilians 3-0. Amusingly, Lucas has been sent off for kicking lumps out of Mascherano, that'll do wonders for Liverpool's team spirit this season.

But yeah, good 400m final.
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By MK Chris
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Topher wrote:(This may annoy Ballbag, but I'm posting it anyway.)

What an incredible 400m race! Now, I am with Bruvva as far as Ohuruogu's ban is concerned and actually I would like to see her drug tested, but assuming she wasn't on anything, that was a very, very exciting race. Unfortunately there always will be that little bit of doubt until she is tested because of her missed tests in the past.. I dunno, mixed feelings about that one, but the race itself was brilliant.

Hmm, apparently she was proved to be clean afterwards. Oh, I don't know!
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By TIAL
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Do they drug test each medal winner, or is it just randomly done? I definitely think each medal winner should be tested, then there'd be no point in doing it whatsoever.
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By MK Chris
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It's random, but I think they test a larger percentage each time. I think if they could test each medal winner they would, but it's a question of cost and resources I guess.
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By Yudster
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All heat and medal winners are tested and a random testing scheme is in place for all other participants. Apparently 40% of the non-winning (heats or any colour medal) athletes will be tested over the course of the games.

Christine Ohmigosh was never accused or suspected (by UKA) of using banned substances. Her ban was a technical one because she missed or was unavailable for three out-of-competition testing requests. The penalty for this was the one year ban, and at the time the rule regarding future participation in Olympic competition applied to her circumstances in the same way that it did to someone who had actually been found to be cheating.

UKA accepted that her reasons for missing the tests (which have never been published) were genuine, although she was found guilty of missing the tests and the ban was still imposed - as it should be. The case highlighted that the imposition of the same penalty (ie the Olympic ban) to someone in that situation as to a confirmed cheat might be uneccessary, and as a result, the rule was changed. She will not be the only athlete to benefit from the change - merely the most high profile one.

As to those that say she was only allowed to compete because she had a chance of winning a medal - well, so did Dwayne Chambers.

Here's a theory. Isn't it noticeable that in track and field, the USA are considerably weaker than they have ever been before? And overall, isn't it noticeable that Australia are nowhere near where they have previously been? I think that this is possibly because since the drugs testing schemes were tightened up, and the effect of this has begun to be felt, cheats have been banned (in the case of the USA), and athletes who are currently competing are compelled to be clean by the international structures (rather than their own iffy domestic systems).

In the case of Australia, pretty much every Australian sportsman or woman in any sport comes through the Australian Sports Institute system. There has always been doubt about the legitimacy of the coaching methods employed there (someone I know well who was coached there used the phrase "handing out the pills with the morning juice"), across the board - and its noticeable that Australian competitors in all disciplines are below par, compared to previous years.

I will be very interested to see what happens to the Jamaican athletes over the next year or so as the international testing authority wil surely be taking a special interest in them............

Just a thought.
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By MK Chris
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Ooh, you cynic Yudster. I'm proud of you! Here's another one for you.. have you noticed how many Chinese medals are coming in sports that where judging is involved? Diving and gymnastics, for example?

I was listening to Matthew Syed on Five Live last night (who some of you may know as a Times columnist, but I know as one of our former national table tennis champions from a time when the English national champion was always in the world's top 20) who said that he believes Christine Ohuruogu (it takes me ages to type that and make sure the spelling is right) did have a genuine relapse of memory and that when you're expected to be in several different places in a short amount of time, it is easy to forget. Personally I'd have thought that a scheduled drug test should be the top of your list of priorities, but as Yudster says, they never made public the reason Ohuruogu gave.

I'm so pleased Dwain Chambers isn't in the team though and I really hope he isn't for 2012. He may not even qualify, but I don't think he should have the chance. (I don't think he would have medalled anyway.. he may even have struggled to get in the final. He's only just gone sub-10 seconds for his personal best and that final was a class field.)
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By Yudster
#356180
Russia have overtaken Australia in the medals table - and we now have a higher total medals tally than Australia for the first time since - since - possibly ever!
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By MK Chris
#356181
This is, effectively, our best ever games. People harp on about the 1908 games, when we hosted, but the fact is that back then we won 50-something gold medals and I think nearly 150 overall.. the reason? We were the only country competing in quite a few events. I think we can discount that particular year.

To batter the Aussies is magnificent - no matter how many people try and tell you it's a media-generated rivalry, if you speak to an Australian, they love to mention how many times they thrash us at god knows how many sports - and yes it's just a bit of banter, but how sweet; to finish top of Europe is also a brilliant, brilliant thing. The only danger is that we will now put the entire team under pressure to better this in 2012 and, as everyone knows, you put a sporting Brit under pressure and they will buckle! We could very easily flop. But here's hoping we don't.
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By Yudster
#356182
Oooh, proper volleyball - not the perverts version. Excellent.
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By MK Chris
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Predictably, I like this and the pervert's version.
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By Boboff
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The 10km swim with the two Brits in Silver and Bronze was an extraordinary effort from those two. Very impressed.

Watch out for wee Tom Daley ( from Plymuff) this weekend, see if he can beat his last place in the syncro !
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By MK Chris
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I think Tom Daley is more likely to be in the medals in 2012 and that he should look on this Olympics as experience. He clearly is an extraordinary talent; anybody who is ranked in the world top 10 for their sport at the tender age of 14 must be, but to expect a medal from him is perhaps too much.

I agree about the 10k swim - as someone who is just learning to swim, I can't even comprehend 10k. A 10k run or even marathon, maybe... but a 10k swim is totally beyond my level of thinking!
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By MK Chris
#356206
I was very impressed with Tasha Danvers today, she ran a very good race. Although she wasn't expected to medal (ever since I have heard people complaining about using the word 'medal' as a verb, I seem to be doing it more often), if she had started her sprint just slightly earlier, she could well have got the silver as well. A cracking run.

And Bolt, well, what can you say? An astonishing run.. trying all the way for this one!
By Ballbag
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Why is everyone insisting on referring to our sports men and women as "team GB". It does my tits in. We're not frikking Americans or Aussies with their "team US", and their "Runaroos, or "Insert sport description here - aroos".
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By Yudster
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Ballbag wrote:Why is everyone insisting on referring to our sports men and women as "team GB".

Probably because that is how they are referring to themselves - its what they are called this year. I hate it too.
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By S4B
#356256
I think they're doing it so they can win the Team of the Year at the BBC awards in December.
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By MK Chris
#356258
Isn't it what they've called themselves in previous years too? I think I'm guilty of calling them that, only because as Yudster says, that's what they are calling themselves, but I agree it's a rubbish name.
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By Yudster
#356259
The British Cycling Team will win that.
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By MK Chris
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S4B wrote:I think they're doing it so they can win the Team of the Year at the BBC awards in December.

BBC Sports Personality of the Year is the biggest farce I've ever seen. Individual Sports Personality of the Year should, in my opinion, be going to either Chris Hoy or Rebecca Adlington, though it's fooking close with the number of people we've had in this Olympics who have done extraordinarily well, not to mention Lewis Hamilton if he wins the World Championship this season. However, it remains to be seen whether it goes to them or Wayne * Rooney or someone equally undeserving.
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