[Savvy-Navvy]

May I suggest MSB - Magic Skool Bus, as your New Artist. They've good form, been played on 6Music, reviewed in Kerrang, Rock Sound etc etc. headline Londons Water Rats this saturday : Water Rats Write Punk Polka Protest Songs Listen to Oisky Poisky and they're excellent live. The BBC should have some of their more radio friendly tracks on the database so play MSB tonight and unless Zane has checked this board you'll expose his lack of knowledge on new bands / new music. Chris wins, Zane loses!

[Yudster]

Don't know about Zane checking this board - what are the chances of Moyles doing that?

[Savvy-Navvy]

You'd hope he would, I suppose the proof would be if he played MSB tonight!

[MK Chris]

Surely the sound clashes tend to be a piss take anyway? Certainly on Moyles' turns.

[in4308]

Isen't it likely to have been recorded yesterday or something anyway? So even if he did read these boards it would be too late.

[Savvy-Navvy]

Possibly, pre-recorded but they were talking about it this morning as though he'd forgotten he was doing it tonight.

Anyway it'll be interesting to see what Chris drops against the 'uber-cool' Zane's tunes.

[in4308]

Moyles was live

And smashed Zane!

[Savvy-Navvy]

What did he drop? I missed it ..... I'll get it on listen again tomorrow what sort of time was it on in the programme?

[Munki Bhoy]

Cut and paste from http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/zanelowe/

Zane Lowe VS Chris Moyles

Round 1 - Old School Classic of any Genre
CM: Status Quo - 'Rockin' All Over The World'
ZL: AC/DC - 'Black Is Back'

Round 2 - Track that'll Get People Out Of Their Chair & On The Dancefloor
CM: Girls Aloud - 'Love Machine'
ZL: Dina Ross - 'I'm Coming Out'

Round 3 - A Track From An Exciting New Artist
CM: Geraldine - 'Once Upon A Christmas Song'
ZL: The Gaslight Anthem - 'The 59 Sound'

Round 4 - School Memories
CM: Duran Duran - 'The Reflex'
ZL: The Smiths 'Bigmouth Strikes Again'

Round 5 - A Track To Get It On With
CM: Tom Jones 'You Can Leave Your Hat On'
ZL: Pharoache Monch - 'Simon Says'

Round 6 - Guilty Pleasure Track
CM: Tony Christie 'Avenues & Alleyways'
ZL: Dolly Parton - 9 to 5

Round 7 - Crowd Pleasing Anthem
CM: Frank Sinatra - 'My Way'

Best Tune of 2008
Take That - 'Greatest Day'

[in4308]

What did he drop? I missed it ..... I'll get it on listen again tomorrow what sort of time was it on in the programme?

It t'was on 8pm - 9pm yesterday [18th December]

[Savvy-Navvy]

Thanks for that Munki Bhoy & in4308. List looks ..... shall we say interesting. I can see the humour in it ..... but the punch line doesn't work for me.

[Savvy-Navvy]

Last Saturdays Gig at the Water Rats in London was pretty good despite MSB being pretty smashed as they were last on at 23:45.

[MK Chris]

last on at 23:45.

I don't give a shit about the rest of the post, but this has just proved a point. Thanks.

Sunny So Cal, are you reading...?

[Savvy-Navvy]

I understand you're unfamiliar with grass roots live music, but without it you have no new music and no musical development, the bands playing the toilet circuit of today are potentially the bands who'll be on your radio in late 2009 onwards. I'm sure if Team Moyles were not so restricted by the Radio 1 Playlist we'd hear a far greater diversity of music consequently leading to an increase in listener figures.

[MK Chris]

I'm sure if Team Moyles were not so restricted by the Radio 1 Playlist we'd hear a far greater diversity of music

So am I - it'd be like The Golden Hour and Tedious Link for most songs. Moyles has always said it takes him ages to get into a band, sometimes after they've been popular.

As for the rest of what you said, I'm aware the bands have to do the rounds on the smaller gigs circuit first, but your posts sounded like an advert for them, so I took no notice.

[foot-loose]

I'm sure if Team Moyles were not so restricted by the Radio 1 Playlist we'd hear a far greater diversity of music consequently leading to an increase in listener figures.

But the point of Team Moyles (I like that name, I may use it again) is not to allow a great diversity of music - it's to provide the listeners with easy going chat in the morning as they get ready for work / school / the dole queue. People don't tune in at 7:25am to hear the brand newest sound, they wanna hear a) easy going banter 2) pop music c) the news and sport.

And would you not agree that music is a highly personal choice which generally differs from person to person? The only kinda music that pleases the mass majority would be pop so I would say that if they start playing 'more diverse' music, they would actually lose listeners rather than see an increase?

Radio One already has several shows dedicated to new and specialist music and these shows will attract the right audience.

[Yudster]

I agree with Foot Loose. Oh my god.

[Savvy-Navvy]

Just because I espouse the merits of ridding R1 of the playlist doesn't mean I think Team Moyles should play obscure new up and coming bands, I'm all for hearing a wide variety of music. I'll appreciate anything from Catherine Jenkins via ELO through to Ashes of Pompeii and onto Cannibal Corpse. However by allowing playlist free daytime shows it would give a greater opportunity for obscure bands to receive airplay to a wider audience outside of the 21:00 hrs watershed.

Also I think it's pretty demeaning for the team to have to tow the line on the playlist, they're all professionals and they're being dumbed down by it's restriction.

Do any of you recall the Bank holiday weekend a few years ago when they de-restricted the airwaves? If my memory serves me correctly they had one weekend where they only played UK music and another where it was requests only. IMHO They were two great weekends of music and my Radio was hardly off.

[Savvy-Navvy]

And would you not agree that music is a highly personal choice which generally differs from person to person? The only kinda music that pleases the mass majority would be pop so I would say that if they start playing 'more diverse' music they would actually lose listeners rather than see an increase?

Apologies for not addressing this point on my previous post .... Yep I agree with the first part of your statement, but the mass majority only gets into a band or song because they're spoon fed it by the Radio Sations who effectively tell them it's OK to like this Song / band because we're playing it to you 8 times each day for the next 7 days and by virtue of hearing something regularly it becomes familiar and likeable.

Music only becomes Pop by being popular, acts like Fiddy & Jay-Z, it's POP! Ting Tings .... on the verge of POP, Kate Nash it's POP but only because it's been raised through of conciousness through constant airplay

[foot-loose]

You make a good point, and to an extent I do agree with you.

I'll appreciate anything from Catherine Jenkins via ELO through to Ashes of Pompeii and onto Cannibal Corpse. However by allowing playlist free daytime shows it would give a greater opportunity for obscure bands to receive airplay to a wider audience outside of the 21:00 hrs watershed.

But you can, I'm sure, appreciate that Cannibal Corpse is maybe for a more specialised taste and perhaps wouldn't be welcomed by mums doing the school run?

Also I think it's pretty demeaning for the team to have to tow the line on the playlist, they're all professionals and they're being dumbed down by it's restriction.

I'd say that if Moyles wants to play something by an unknown band, he would play it whither it was on the playlist or not.

Do any of you recall the Bank holiday weekend a few years ago when they de-restricted the airwaves? If my memory serves me correctly they had one weekend where they only played UK music and another where it was requests only. IMHO They were two great weekends of music and my Radio was hardly off.

If you mean the 12 hour takeover, it was cracking - they should do that more often.

Apologies for not addressing this point on my previous post .... Yep I agree with the first part of your statement, but the mass majority only gets into a band or song because they're spoon fed it by the Radio Sations who effectively tell them it's OK to like this Song / band because we're playing it to you 8 times each day for the next 7 days and by virtue of hearing something regularly it becomes familiar and likeable.

Music only becomes Pop by being popular, acts like Fiddy & Jay-Z, it's POP! Ting Tings .... on the verge of POP, Kate Nash it's POP but only because it's been raised through of conciousness through constant airplay

Yup, they can be a bit repetitive. Yup, they can be a bit repetitive. Yup, they can be a bit repetitive, but I think the playlist is a damn sight better than it used to be (granted, I've just had a look at it and it doesn't really help my point).

Is something popular because we are told it is popular therefore we buy into it and it is popular? Or is it that they know what we will like (as a majority) so they make sure it is played on the playlist? I've wondered before why there are certain songs which only feature on either the Radio One or the Radio Two playlist where I would have thought they could be played across both stations.

[tina11]

I believe there's going to be a Ten Hour Takeover on January 2nd, starting at 9am. Rather looking forward to this.

Despite not being part of Radio 1's target audience, and as such not expecting to hear much older music, I do wish Radio 1 would expand its playlist and be a little more courageous in its choices. I agree with above points. Music essentially becomes pop(ular) music by the amount of airplay it gets. It would be nice for a few newer/more obscure/overlooked bands to be given the chance to be heard before 9pm.

[MK Chris]

I think everyone has something to say about how the playlist could be better, but not everyone says the same thing. This is a good example of not being able to please everybody. I'd like to see a bit more of music from Colin's show and The Rock Show filter through, but that's not everyone's taste.

[Savvy-Navvy]

I believe there's going to be a Ten Hour Takeover on January 2nd, starting at 9am. Rather looking forward to this.

SUPERB! If this is true then I'm looking forward to a great day of radio.

[Andy B]

I think if Moyles was allowed greater musical freedom with no negative consequences with his show then I don't think he'd suddenly turn into a fountain of new and diverse music, I think he'd just stick Nik Kershaw on repeat...all together now.

There's a tree by a river with a hole in the ground..........

The playlist is there for a reason. It's an integral part of any radio station. If you don't like it, then set up your own playing everything from Canibal Corpse to Catherine Jenkins and see how many listeners you get.

[S4B]

I agree with Foot Loose. Oh my god.

The end of the world is nigh!