[Commotion]

There's a lot of animosity against Chris Moyles within the gay community.Some of it is justified, for reasons I gave earlier, but I also suspect some of it is blown out of proportion - I don't accept he was malicious

Agreed. But I think it is justified. It's the double standards. Can you imagine how the black population of Britain would feel if he engaged in casual stereotyping of black people.

As someone has already said homophobic bullying is rife all over Britain and a Stonewall shows that gay teenagers are far more vulnerable to suicide than heterosexual teenagers because of the prejudiuce they deal with on a daily basis.

While Moyles intentions may not be deliberately malicious they are still harmful, hurtful but most of all absolutely unnecessary.

[C-Kay]

I dont get that, he takes the piss out of people with stutters, you dont see me kicking up a fuss calling for his head on a plate, he takes the piss out of Essex girls, you dont see them kicking off. So he plays up to a stereotype, what's the big deal? He didn't have a go at Will Young for being gay, nor did he say anything offensive OR homophobic.

Sorry, but if anyone is/was offended by this, they need to get a life, or at least a sense of humour.

[Munki Bhoy]

Andy Parfitt's been talking again - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7968127.stm

Not sure what to make of that to be honest...

[Yudster]

Whilst I personally think he isn't quite on the money, I do think Commotion is making his points is a balanced and rational way. What a nice change that makes.

I don't agree that just because a group would make a terrible fuss it means that making a terrible fuss is the reasonable thing to do though. Here's a personal example - Chris Moyles comes from a nominally Catholic background, but in some of his comments and conversations on the subject of christianity he regularly misrepresents it horrendously. I am a committed and practising christian, and I find myself wincing at times with the things he says.

Now, whilst I think its true to say that if he spoke about Islam in the way he does christianity, the Muslim community would want his head on a platter, I don't think that means that christian groups should be calling for him to be sacked. So just because racial groups might react in a more extreme way if Chris's comments had been about a black singer doesn't mean that gay people automatically should too. We're getting far too touchy.

[TIAL]

Eight people complained to Ofcom after Moyles used a high-pitched, effeminate voice to parody Young in a satirical song.

...Maybe that's because Will Young has a high-pitched, effeminate voice?
This part of the criticism I don't understand. He was simply trying to copy his voice.

The content is another story. I personally didn't find it very funny and I can see where people may take offence.

[Munki Bhoy]

I agree with Yuds actually. Personally, I prefer the idea of educating the ignorant over getting angry at them. But then I can also take a joke fairly well.

In Yuds example, I'd want to take Chris aside and educate him in how I think he's misinterpreting Christianity. With the Muslims... well, Mohammad with a bomb under his turban is funny - deal with it. Or at least deal with your fundamentalists so there's no source for jokes.

It's especially useful with folk like Chris who have such big audiences - how to educate the masses quickly and efficiently!

[jocky85]

Surely if that's how its going to be, Jonathan Ross must breach it every week with his comments towards 'Four Poofs and a Piano' ??

[hotformoyles]

Being a gay guy, I wanted to add my views. Haven't posted on here for ages (I've totally forgotten my old details). Anyhow, I don't find Moyles in anyway Homophobic. His comments about the ring tone being 'gay' were stupid but not meant to be homophobic. I think it just slipped out, it happens. His comments towards Will were also stupid, meant as a joke, and hopefully Will hasn't taken it the way the "8" did!! He hasn't commented so we can only assume he doesn't care that much. The funny thing is that Will does seem to get more gay everytime I see him on the TV. Its almost "pretentious" the way he acts.

Anyway, I don't think he's got any kind of problem with us gays otherwise he wouldn't have gay friends or gay guests on the show.

If you want to come down on Homophobics why isn't enough being done about the bloody extremists saying "homosexuals should be stoned to death" in our own country!!! They will probably get police protection!!

Funny old world isn't it!

[foot-loose]

Are you the one that fancies a bit of the Moyles lovin?

[hotformoyles]

Are you the one that fancies a bit of the Moyles lovin?

If the question is directed at me, then I think the username says it all really!!

[foot-loose]

Yup, I remember the avatar now.

[hotformoyles]

I dont think its actually gay people who have complained. Most gay people have a sense of humour, its just some sad people who will do anything to have a dig at Moyles. They probably don't even care about gay people feelings, its just to get Moyles into trouble to get him sacked.

[hotformoyles]

:lol:

Yup, I remember the avatar now.

Look how fat Moyles is in this pic!!!

And me with my bloody 'Rod Stewart' hair dooo!!

Thankgod I saw sense!

[TIAL]

And me with my bloody 'Rod Stewart' hair dooo!!

Haha, I'm glad you said it rather than me!

[foot-loose]

I dont think its actually gay people who have complained. Most gay people have a sense of humour, its just some sad people who will do anything to have a dig at Moyles. They probably don't even care about gay people feelings, its just to get Moyles into trouble to get him sacked.

I more or less agree with you.

[hotformoyles]

Surely if that's how its going to be, Jonathan Ross must breach it every week with his comments towards 'Four Poofs and a Piano' ??

This is the big debate at the mo. Haven't the lords, or some people of that stature, just tries to pass a law that says "basically" people can't laugh at gay people anymore in anyway shape or form? (I really should take more interest in these things being a 'gay'). There's been comedians saying that they won't be able to have the camp characters anymore. Its just getting so PC.

[foot-loose]

* sake. The GAY folk laugh at camp folk!

[hotformoyles]

I know.........

Imagine no more "I'm the only gay in the village"!! What would the world come too!

[Karla F]

The 8 people that complained about Chris were all members of a Will Young fan site. Only one member actually heard the show, but she reported back to the others on the site. They then all encourged each other to make official complaints to the Ofcom board. They were all women, and none of them were gay. They have been enjoying all the fall out from this. Anyone that says anything remotely nasty about WY gets the same treatment. They have also made complaints about Scott Mills on occasions too.

[Andy B]

I think I may know the site you are on about.

[Karla F]

Yeah some people are Devoted to it. I like Chris and there really is no real harm in what he says. He takes the mick constantly out of his guests on the show and off.

[Johnny 1989]

I dont think its actually gay people who have complained. Most gay people have a sense of humour, its just some sad people who will do anything to have a dig at Moyles. They probably don't even care about gay people feelings, its just to get Moyles into trouble to get him sacked.

I think you're right, and I think in most occasions where the people who complained aren't the ones of whom the comment would effect. It's the same sad individuals who would complain about almost anything.

There is a thread on another forum I'm a member of (yes other forums do exists ) regarding the latest OfCom reports of complaints received, these include:

Supposed substance abuse on a kids programme
Violence on Have I Got News For You
Dangerous Behaviour on Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway
Sex/Nudity on an edition of Sarah Cox's Radio 1 show
Suicide/Self Harm in a programme about suicide
Animal Welfare on TV Burp
Violence On Newsbeat on Radio 1 (well of course news is supposed to report factual news unless it's violent )

I could list more, but I won't the rest is currently being discussed on that forum.

Sadly we have some people over here that think that because it's their right to complain the complain about sodding everything.

[Commotion]

I like Chris and there really is no real harm in what he says.

Taking the mick out of his guests is fine. But to laughh as someone over their sexual orientation is no more acceptable than laughing at someone over their skin colour. Either both are acceptable or neither is acceptable.

Homophobia is a major problem in British schools with some ridiculous number of kids being bullied because they are gay or thought to be gay. Suicide rates among gay teenagers are way higher than average as a result of this bullying and the damage it causes.

As presenter of a show with a large young audience you would think Chris Moyles would have the intelligence to realise that when he mocks Will Young for his sexuality he is sending a signal to his young audience that the poor poof in class with them is fair game to picked on too. Even if his outburst was down to ignorance, his refusal to acknowledge and apologise for his homophobia could be seen as evidence that Moyles genuinely is a homophobe.

[foot-loose]

his refusal to acknowledge and apologise for his homophobia could be seen as evidence that Moyles genuinely is a homophobe.

Making one comment which could be taken out of context does NOT make someone a homphobe. 'Homphobic' is one of the most powerful words of our generation and to call someone it without valid cause is wrong.

[Travis Bickle]

The 8 people that complained about Chris were all members of a Will Young fan site. Only one member actually heard the show, but she reported back to the others on the site. They then all encourged each other to make official complaints to the Ofcom board. They were all women, and none of them were gay. They have been enjoying all the fall out from this. Anyone that says anything remotely nasty about WY gets the same treatment. They have also made complaints about Scott Mills on occasions too.

I didn't know that, but it just about says it all. With the Internet and communication being as it is now it is so easy to mobilise any movement to complain about something. You would think that ofcom and any regulatory body would be aware of that.

I don't want to join the Daily Mail anti-PC brigade but the level of political correctness in this country is truly out of control. And what bothers me more than anything is that the people who are so up in arms about most of this stuff are the white, straight middle classes. The so called minority groups seem to be ok with most of these issues. They can differentiate between mild banter and bigotry. Shane the authorities cant.