[Nicola_Red]

I also was gonna say the exact same thing! Good to know that it's not just us hippy vegan types that oppose such horrendous cruelty.

[Yudster]

I have no problem with hunting and killing animals for food, but bullfighting - and a hell of a lot of other stuff they do in Spain - is just pointless macho cruelty.

[Bonanzoid]

I think the bulls lead quite cushy lives up until the spectacle in itself. Probably a much better life than animals who are bred for food.

[MK Chris]

If Fred and Rose West treated their victims extremely well before they actually raped and killed them, would you think that was OK?

As for animals killed for food - I know Yudster is insistent on buying meat that has had a good life and I try my best to as well, I get all my meat from the local butchers or the farmer's market.

[Bonanzoid]

You're comparing bullfighters to serial killers? Come on Topher, you can do better than that.

And Yudster, after seeing how the matadors dress and move, there's nothing macho about it haha.

[MK Chris]

You're comparing bullfighters to serial killers? Come on Topher, you can do better than that.

Well, the analogy was extreme, but the point is valid I think.

[Bonanzoid]

I disagree. I can see why many people oppose bullfighting, I'm not 100% myself with it., but comparing matadors to serial killers is a bit far. I'm sure one of the only reasons it's still going on is because of the money it brings in the the local economies as a vital part of Spanish culture. There must have been about 6000 people there when I was there, and at €23 a pop that's a lot of money.

[foot-loose]

When I was in Spain last year, I had a look into this bull fighting thing. There was a lot of patriotism that comes with it so I can understand why it is popular. There was also a thing about how the bulls live a life of luxury and are practically worshipped as Gods prior to their 20 minute stint in the bullring.

I accept that there are a lot worse forms of animal "cruelty" and lets face it, millions more cows are killed everyday for food and chances are they have had a worse life than the ones in Spain. In some cases, possibly a worse death.

Regardless of all this, I still feel the whole thing is sick. It's not the killing of the animal that I dislike, it's the crowd that go to watch it. They are going to watch 'man vs beast' in a situation where only man can win. They are going to watch an animal die slowly and they are going to enjoy it. Tradition aside - that's * up. (And if it's €23 a pop, someones making waaaay too much money out of such a 'tradition')

It's a blood sport. It's wrong.

[Munki Bhoy]

I like the Pamplona Bull running. But one year I want to brick up the end of the street and not tell anyone. That's probably got something to do with it.

[Boboff]

Bah Humbug.

It's a sport, it's tradition.

I went when I was about 10 to one in the Canaries, and I enjoyed the spectacle. I found watching stock car racing allot more frightening.

When they puncture the lung and the bull runs around coughing up blood, now that's funny.

[MK Chris]

See I don't know if you're being serious or not... I thought you were, then I read the last line and wasn't sure.

Anyway - stock car racing is a sport and a spectacle and the participants all have a choice of whether or not to enter, which is not the case with bull fighting. There are people who think dog fighting or * fighting is a sport and a spectacle, would you agree with that? (If your post was not serious I apologise.)

[Yudster]

I appreciate that it is a long standing part of Spanish culture, and it isn't in the same league as chucking donkeys off the top of towers. I don't like it, I think its a stupid and ridiculous form of entertainment for pillocks - but neither would I campaign for it to be banned. I would however have much more respect for the people that perpetrate it and the people that enjoy it if it was a proper competition - ie one which the bull has an equal chance of winning.

after seeing how the matadors dress and move, there's nothing macho about it haha.

Again thats a cultural perception - they might look like a bunch of camp ponces to you and me, but the Matador is Spain's traditional epitome of manliness, sexual dominance and power. Hence it IS macho posturing, that's what it is FOR!

[Zoot]

There was a girl who used to work here who was a vegetarian because she felt eating animals was cruel.
She also had a 'support fox hunting' sticker on car.

The thing is I can tell you exactly why she 'supported fox hunting', it's because it was part of the social class she wanted to be associated with. Very much into her horse racing, drove a convertable, always wore incredibly expensive handbags and dated rugby players and rich farmers.
She's touring the world at the moment.

She's a good friend of mine still and I actually have alot of respect for her, because she went through a terrible period of her life a few years ago where she was involved in a car crash which killed her best friend and put her and her sister into hospital for 6 months, and came out of it determined to make the most of her life (hence traveling the world, and she's going to Uni when she comes back.)

I'm always taking the piss out of her double standards though.

[ladbroke]

It's a bull, not a human. I don't really care too much if the bull doesn't have a nice time and doesn't retire to a villa on the coast. It's part of tradition, and culture relating to Spain, and don't think anybody except the Spanish has the right to change that tradition. Not wishing to poke anyone with a big stick to get a reaction, but I don't care if the bull doesn't like it.

[MK Chris]

There was a girl who used to work here who was a vegetarian because she felt eating animals was cruel.
She also had a 'support fox hunting' sticker on car.

Now fox hunting I hate... and I've lived in the country for pretty much most of my life and I know others who live in the country who are dead against it, so that blows that theory out the water.

[Boboff]

As long as it doesn't effect me then I don't care. Having a moral high ground is so last year.

[Nicola_Red]

As long as it doesn't effect me then I don't care. Having a moral high ground is so last year.

Oh man boboff, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one! I'm kinda wishing kendra was around to be my hippy vegan backup now

[Boboff]

*cough, ironic, *cough.

Come on chaps, I thought you knew me better than that!

[MK Chris]

Haha - I knew that one was tongue in cheek.

[Andy B]

Some nights I wish there was fox hunting around here. Bloody things squwarking and screeching and keeping me up and setting the dogs off. If I had a twelve bore shotgun I'd take a bloody pop at em!

[Zoot]

... If I had a twelve bore shotgun ...

...in your pants

[Nicola_Red]

... If I had a twelve bore shotgun ...

...in your pants

now we're speaking my language again!

[Sunny So Cal]

Bullfighting is a despicable "sport". Ha. I've missed bob! Anyhow, I'm not understanding what this has to do with S4 and weight loss though and I haven't the patience to go back and re-read. If it ever DID have anything to do with weight loss, 4 words: no booze, more exercise. Works like a charm.

[foot-loose]

Bullfighting is a despicable "sport". Ha. I've missed bob! Anyhow, I'm not understanding what this has to do with S4 and weight loss though and I haven't the patience to go back and re-read. If it ever DID have anything to do with weight loss, 4 words: no booze, more exercise. Works like a charm.

Welcome along to chrismoyles.net. We like to keep things on topic in the forum...

[Sunny So Cal]

Ha. Piss off. I couldn't be arsed to read all the pages and wanted to put my 2 cents worth in for S4's sake. Now feel free to move back to blood sports.