[wireman2004]

well i can give you a mid season report now that we are officially entering the second half of the season...


Mclaren.
Lewis Hamilton. Solid start too the season. missed points in malaysia with a poor qualifiying. But is the underdog with redbull's strong package.
Jenson Button. In all honnstly. Actually lucky too pick up the wins hw did. gambled on stratagy and it came off. conolodated on performances. but overall. massively outdriven by hamilton.

Mercedes.
Michael Schumacher. Indifferent season. unlucky in australia and malaysia. screwed over in monaco with the brilliant pass on alonso. second part of the season should be better.
Nico Rosberg. Lucky in china with tyre choice. but a pretty decent start too the season. some luck along the way. showed true pace in silverstone. should challenge in second part of season with schumacher.

Red Bull.
Sebastian Vettel. preferential treatment within the team. but hasn't capialtised.
Mark Webber. Sticking 2 fingers up at his team and a stunning drive at silverstone. maybe if the team realise soon enough. he will be the one too challenge the mclarens in the title.

Ferrari.
I will genralise them. because both drivers have been stupidly bad this year in comparison too their past performances. is it the team. is it the drivers. it's a mix of both in my view.

[Yudster]

Why do we want you to give us a mid season report when there are plenty of mid season reports around which are better informed, less subjective, more comprehensive, more informative and above all properly presented? Or even when we can see perfectly well what's happened for ourselves?

[wireman2004]

tell us all what you think.

in all honnety. alot of the regulations have been messed with so much that formula 1 that i know of is dead.
Mandortory pit stop. must use both compounds of tyres. double difusers. adjustable front and rear wings. kers. f duct. taking away gravel traps and giving them run offs. these are things that are a joke and taken away from the sport. especially the gravel trap. we are bowing down now too a bunch of pansies. put gravel traps in and if they go off. we punnish them.

go back to the years of 1990 too 2004. apart from 2 major rule changes. (good and bad) These were some of the best years in formula 1 history.

You could drive within 0.001 of a second behind a car with no air resistance. close. wheel to wheel racing.


Lets also go into the bbc team.
jake is ok.
E.J. Talks alot. and can not take a joke.
D.C Bias as hell.
J.L what a boring person.
M.B As dc. Bias recently.

I have notices that the bbc are talking alot of crap recently. schumacher in canada. they were tough but fair moves. and alonso at silverstone. harsh for the drive through. don't kid me. he should have given the position back too kubica straight away.


Don't kid me. Formula 1 has been part of my life and i whitnessed senna's death on tv at san marino 94. and i love the sport. But what max mosley. bernie ecclestone. crt. herman tilke. and thr drivers have done too the sport has taken this sport into a mere shaddow of what formula 1 was in the golden days.

if you wante too expand again on the rule changes. Everyone complained when schumacher won 5 titles in a row. ffs. what was ong with that. ascari won 8 races in a row. Every gp in52 and 53 and fangio won 4 world titles in a row. no one complained then.

i have wtched the sport i love slowly die. i hope we can get back too real racing and not artificial racing with what they are doing

[Yudster]

wireman, the sad thing is that if only you could be bothered to make the effort to write in a comprehensible way that people could follow, I think you'd be interesting on the subject - it obviously means a lot to you, and I expect you are knowledgeable. But your posts are simply unreadable, which is a shame.

[wireman2004]

yudster. i am not the best when it does come to putting things into a definative sentence. formula 1 is a big part of my life and it saddens me that the sport is becoming a shell of it's self. i hope you get in part of what i am saying in my previous post. if not. i would be happy too elaborate for you.

[MK Chris]

OK Wireman... I agree in part, but not in whole. Some of the rule changes have been bad, I agree.

Mandortory pit stop. must use both compounds of tyres.

Fair enough, I agree that the mandatory pit stop isn't necessarily needed and it's more interesting seeing teams do what they want with strategies; the tyre compound thing you could argue makes it interesting, but then if you are taking out mandatory pit stops, you would have to stop the mandatory use of both tyre compounds, obviously.

double difusers. adjustable front and rear wings. kers. f duct.

Now these are things that are technical innovations, in a highly technological sport.

taking away gravel traps and giving them run offs.

I must admit, I did like gravel traps... there are safety implications about roll bars sinking into the gravel if a car overturns, but they stop cars so much quicker than the current solution that you have to say, although Webber's car would have rolled (and it did so on the track, so wouldn't have sunk even if there were gravel traps there), his car would have stopped much quicker and would have hit the wall at a far lesser pace.

go back to the years of 1990 too 2004. apart from 2 major rule changes. (good and bad) These were some of the best years in formula 1 history.

You could drive within 0.001 of a second behind a car with no air resistance. close. wheel to wheel racing.

I'd argue the mid to late 80s right the way through to the 90s were the best years of F1 personally, but I know what you're saying.

Lets also go into the bbc team.
jake is ok.

I admit I was dubious when they announced him as the main presenter, but actually I think he's really good.

E.J. Talks alot. and can not take a joke.

Well he's a pundit... they tend to talk! I think Eddie Jordan likes to play Devil's Advocate a little bit, I don't believe he actually thinks all of what he says.

D.C Bias as hell.

How you can call someone bias with your massive pro-Schumacher bias is beyond me... but whatever, I don't find it and I think DC is a great pundit - far better than I thought he'd be.

J.L what a boring person.

I don't mind him, anything's better than James * Allen.

M.B As dc. Bias recently.

Again, I don't really see this. I think Brundle is brilliant at his job.

I have notices that the bbc are talking alot of crap recently. schumacher in canada. they were tough but fair moves.

I totally disagree with you, Schumacher was absolutely out of order. He was driving dangerously.

and alonso at silverstone. harsh for the drive through. don't kid me. he should have given the position back too kubica straight away.

I agree he should have given the position back, but in fairness, when Kubica dropped out, there was no need for it. Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a fan of Alonso, but I do think that was a little harsh.

if you wante too expand again on the rule changes. Everyone complained when schumacher won 5 titles in a row. ffs. what was ong with that. ascari won 8 races in a row.

Winning eight races in a row is a little * different to winning five Championships in a row. I understand that Schumacher was a brilliant driver. Flawed, but brilliant. BUT, winning that many in a row is just boring, I'm sorry but it is. Fair enough it's good for his fans, but not everyone was a Schumacher fan.

Every gp in52 and 53 and fangio won 4 world titles in a row. no one complained then.

How do you know? I very much doubt you were around to tell. To be honest, in Fangio's days, Formula One was in its infancy, so it's possibly not surprising that someone dominated it so much, given how many people had access to a road car, let alone a racing car.

[wireman2004]

topher.

As you understand. we can agree too disagree. that what makes this sport as loveable. That people can see things in different ways.

You may see a incident differently to me. which we could argue till we are black and blue in the face. but i guess that is the beauty of the sport.

[pappy1vg]

I thought Eddie was going to be alright this week, but here again I found myself thinking he's a *. I hope he isn't back next year. And really he's the only one I despise on a weekly basis. (Or bi-weekly)

[pappy1vg]

Also, why do all the idiots have to stand right behind the presenters on their phones and looking like idiots? Every friggin time.

[DevilsDuck]

Also, why do all the idiots have to stand right behind the presenters on their phones and looking like idiots? Every friggin time.

I think you answered your own question you idiot! idiots do tend to look like idiots because they are idiots!

[wireman2004]

wait there. the people in the back added too it in my view. only because it gave one of the best pranks in a long time.
at the end of the race in the review when the bbc team were interviewing christian horner. a certain ron dennis came behind eddie jordan and cut his headphones... very funny.

[pappy1vg]

Haha didn't notice that!

[wireman2004]

Ok Guys. Germany this weekend. Whats your predictions...

Before i give my predictions. Here is my view of the circuit...

Despite modifications too the circuit in 2001 or 2002. I feel that the circuit has lost what it used too have. Before was a 4 and a quarter mile circuit in the forrest. Now they have ruined it by not going into the forrest anymore. I think that this has taken away from the history as they used the circuit from the mid 60's or so. Now we have another tilke drome and once again will lead too not much action as usual.

Now for my top 10 in the drivers championship predictions...

Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button. Both Mclarens should be competative in s2 and s3. As turkey will lead too a 4 driver battle for the lead.
Mark Webber. and Sebastian Vettel. As Mclaren. They will destroy the field in s1, and that being in the first corner, They could take turn 1 flat. the twisty section will pull the mclarens back in, But overall. top 4 will be a lock for both teams if they don't take each other out or have a breakdown.
Fernando Alonso. and Fillipe Massa. Difficult to tell with ferrari. I think that they could slip behind the silver arrows again this weekend as this circuit has similar carictaristics too turkry. Possibly 7th and 9th come sunday
Nico Rosberg. and Michael schumacher. Both should be back on form. One or both could challenge the top 2 teams. although they could be about half second behind the top 2 teams... Could pick up some scraps of the podium, maybe a smart pitstop... No bias, BUT, expect a strong showing from schumacher in particular for his return to germany in f1 in 3 years. He will be hoping for a result. 5th and 6th most likely though...
Robert Kubica. Decent chance too split the ferrari's this weekend. should be competative and should hang on to the mercedes. although i don't expect them too be close too the top 2 teams...
Adrian Sutil. I'll make it short and sweet. Could split the ferrari's but most possibly being 10th this weekend...


Overall. We could have a decent croud as we have 5 Germans in with a chance too penatrate the top 8 at a minimum....


Over too you and enjoy hockenheim...

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

Cars will go round in circles and a bloke who is obsessed with getting a cap and watch on when hes finished driving will win.

[Bonanzoid]

Ferrari are smelly willies. That was Massa's race. They deserved that £100,000 fine. Chumps.

[MK Chris]

They deserved more than that - a grid drop at the next race at the very least.

[Yudster]

If it had been anyone other than Ferrari it would have been a deduction of constructor's points and a grid drop next race. If it had been McLaren it would have been all that plus disqualification. I bloody hate Ferrari.

[DevilsDuck]

I think they should have been disqualified.

I can't understand why the FIA have fined them for doing it, but not given them a good slapping......nothing to do with the ex-head of Ferrari being the current head of the FIA?!?!?

[Johnny 1989]

If it had been anyone other than Ferrari it would have been a deduction of constructor's points and a grid drop next race. If it had been McLaren it would have been all that plus disqualification. I bloody hate Ferrari.

My brother said something similar, he was very disappointed by what had happened, although he wasn't surprised given their antics in the past.

They should have been given more than he fine, they should be made to start last on the grid in the next race or be made to miss it altogether.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

They deserved more than that - a grid drop at the next race at the very least.

It is a pathetic rule though - in what other sport can a team not do whats best for each other? That said the thing to do would have been to reverse the first two positions and fine them.

[wireman2004]

Lets be honnest. Ferrari should not have had any punnishment and the rule is apile of crap.

Back in the 50's. Juan manuel fangio broke down, and retired. his team mate then came in the pits and gave his car too him. it won him a title because of that...

Lets be honnest. at the end of the day. this is a team sport. and team orders should. have never been banned.

[MK Chris]

They deserved more than that - a grid drop at the next race at the very least.

It is a pathetic rule though - in what other sport can a team not do whats best for each other? That said the thing to do would have been to reverse the first two positions and fine them.

In what other sport do people compete for an individual title that is arguably more prestigious than the team one? No driver is bigger than the team, that's true, but equally this is a sport where drivers on the same team do compete against each other and therefore they sometimes need to look out for what's best for them if they are still in the championship. Either way, Ferrari would have got the same number of points, so it made no difference to the Constructor's championship, but Massa is still in with a shout of the championship and so should not have been asked to move over.

[DevilsDuck]

If Alonso was quicker, he would have caught him up and overtaken him, which would have made it more interesting. Team orders make it boring!

[Yudster]

this is a team sport.

No it isn't. The Driver's Championship is the primary competition in F1, and that is an individual title. The Constructor's Championship is as close is F1 gets to having a team-sport element, and that's very secondary to the main event.

[MK Chris]

If Alonso was quicker, he would have caught him up and overtaken him, which would have made it more interesting. Team orders make it boring!

And that, in the end, is what counts. Schumacher's point was that teams like Ferrari plough hundreds of millions into winning a championship, but the only people who make that possible are the fans of the sport; if they are alienated, you have no fanbase, no money coming in and no one to care who wins.