[foot-loose]

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<<could you please just clarify what you mean by "those types">>

I mean't homosexuals - since the topic was about two 'types'. 'These' and 'those'. See?

<<I do love this PC/un-PC stuff. You get to be offensive and just say "I'm just not being PC" and get away with it.>>

Yes- I think it's best to be un-PC but not offensive ( that's just going to the other extreme). What becomes 'offensive' is a gauge that may be different between people. Obviously to yourself simply questioning things about the topic is offensive. Unless it agrees with just one side of the argument. Handy.

<<Strange, I've never had a problem with people, which is quite considerate of them, cos it's still * difficult to come to terms with. I guess it must just be some sort of elaborate act that everyone has and they're really disgusted by my obvious perversion.>>

When you come out to people I would suspect those closest to you take time out to think it over and come to terms with it. Thereafter they will politely accept your situation and not make crass comments etc. They may even change views and even deep seated prejudices. Ordinarily, though - if you listen to a conversation between fellas in a pub - just the average group and it's probably too offensive to this board.

< You're living in a bubble if you think the average person on the street doesn't care about equality.>

Equality covers tons of subjects. It's not the preserve of the gays. Although if you look at the previous government you'd think it was. And then there's 'rights'. Lets not get into that one!!

<<…readiest the JLS condoms and see which one is the best…>>

Over my head.

<<Perhaps it's time to close Part 8 & open up Part 9 seeing as this one has become a bit buggered over the last few pages>>

Clever. And 'cheeky'. See how I carried on the tradition there?

<<I think a mod should just delete all the off topic comments so aled doesn't have to read them. (Including this comment)>>

Although - be fair - I was responding to a post within this thread. But you're probably right - it should be on another thread by now (did not realise it would tickle so many "There should be a law against free thought" sorts and get so much of a reaction).



<<I took it from his last post that he already has read them. And to be fair, most posts were from people who were sticking up for him, with only a couple of idiots making themselves look stupid with their ridiculous comments. I'm sure Aled has a thick skin, anyone working with Chris would need to have that! As has been suggested a few posts above, perhaps it's time to close this particular thread and start 'Ask Aled (Part Nine)'.>>

Apart from the initial innuendo in your paragraph (sorry!) "Idiots", "Stupid, and "ridiculous" certainly puts across some great valid adult points!

And - yes - I think Aled probably does have thick skin - I suspect there may be quite a few nasty anti-gay messages that go his way. From the same numbskull types who think you cannot have an opinion which questions that way of life. However - when you're in the spotlight of national recognition via the media you probably need thick skin. Very thick skin. I suspect Chris has the same thick skin. Especially when he's had the limp shouty sort demo-ing against him regarding him as a bigot (the irony!) and a homophobe. I suspect its an attribute you must have when you world on TV/radio.

I have considered getting involved in this discussion several times but you are so bogged down in stereotypes it's unreal and hardly worth the time. A couple of points though - First of all, I imagine you don't actually know any gay folk, if you do then I reckon you keep them at arms length (just in case). Yesno?

Secondly - these "fellas in the pub" you keep referring to - they may well be the crowd of folk you hang about with. That doesn't mean they represent the average guy though. I have spent lots of time in many pubs, talking with plenty of "fellas" and this backwards opinion on this topic has never been mentioned. If I was you, I would re-consider who I associated with - they are planting some odd ideas in your head.

Lastly, this whole aspect of being un-pc for the hell of it. Frankie Boyle does it pretty well and, let's be honest, it's getting boring. I have no problem with people having an opinion on a subject when their opinion is well informed. Using a line like "limp shouty sort" would lead me to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about and that you are deliberatly trying to cause offense and controversy. That's not the same as being "un-pc". That's just being a dick.

[Emmy]

I love the title of this thread. That is all.

[catherine]

I can't bebothered to read all that, can you sum it up in a few words?

[Yudster]

I can't bebothered to read all that, can you sum it up in a few words?

Aren't you a bit busy to be here?!

[Sidders]

I can't bebothered to read all that, can you sum it up in a few words?

Just some idiot homophobe.

[Yudster]

Well put Sidders. He's the kind of homophobe who will say he isn't, like Littlejohn insists he isn't a fascist.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

I can't bebothered to read all that, can you sum it up in a few words?

Just read the bit that foot-loose wrote as its 100% correct. Theres a first time for everything.

[Nicola_Red]

I seem to remember the same stupid homophobia from the same stupid poster pretty much killed the Beautiful People thread. It makes me feel a bit ill. In fact foots responded to it better than I did.

[dimtimjim]

Go footloose, well put...... You big flowery ****.

[Stimpy]

I love the title of this thread. That is all.

I'll sue !!!

[Stimpy]

I have considered getting involved in this discussion several times but you are so bogged down in stereotypes it's unreal and hardly worth the time. A couple of points though - First of all, I imagine you don't actually know any gay folk, if you do then I reckon you keep them at arms length (just in case). Yesno?

Secondly - these "fellas in the pub" you keep referring to - they may well be the crowd of folk you hang about with. That doesn't mean they represent the average guy though. I have spent lots of time in many pubs, talking with plenty of "fellas" and this backwards opinion on this topic has never been mentioned. If I was you, I would re-consider who I associated with - they are planting some odd ideas in your head.

Lastly, this whole aspect of being un-pc for the hell of it. Frankie Boyle does it pretty well and, let's be honest, it's getting boring. I have no problem with people having an opinion on a subject when their opinion is well informed. Using a line like "limp shouty sort" would lead me to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about and that you are deliberatly trying to cause offense and controversy. That's not the same as being "un-pc". That's just being a dick.

[Don't now gay folk] - Actually I worked with one. We both have Colitis so we exchanged ideas and tips to help out with the disease. Others weren't so subtle on the joke side - if you know colitis you could probably guess the sort of 'jokes' about periods etc

[Pub fellas] - No - nothing to do with me - it's a rare conversation with my peer group although the extent of approval/etc varies but is mainly anti-gay. C'mon though - you will know that the vast majority of males would find the gay 'thing' foul. Not my position just the ways it is. To think otherwise is to really get swallowed up by the PC brigade that we're all lovey dovey socialists who care for the third world and love the EU etc. That's just so unrealistic.

'[Limp shouty sort'] should focus you on the exact sort I mean. Like it or not you will know precisely the sort of person I am talking about. Yes it's a generalisation but very few of 'them' do much to dispel the stereotypes.

BTW - This is all from me picking up on another persons thread where they 'caught on' about the bumming thing (during the quiz) and what it might mean as an 'in-joke' in the team.
What it has exposed - ironically - is closed minded left-of-left nasty sorts that scream 'homophobia' at the very mention of that lifestyle being at odds with a persons opinion. The irony is hilarious - re-read the history of the thread to see what I mean - LOL

[Stimpy]

Just to say - I absolutely love the hostile responses with the excellent use of name calling to 'prove me wrong'. It has been high quality comedy and I guess I hope that those involved are showing some really dark humour!

As a tip - someone should move on to me being a repressed homo and that my messages are simply a deep- seated reaction to my inner self which I am hating. I think I have that right. Someone can correct me if I've got a part of it wrong.

Incidentally - I think the most homo-'phobia' is from 'oop north'. I was called a 'poof' for pulling my suitcase along on its wheels rather than carrying it like a 'real man should'.

So normal people CAN be subject to homophobia as I can testify.

[Stimpy]

I can't bebothered to read all that, can you sum it up in a few words?

In a few words? Blimey.

how about 'Stimpy raised a point about the 'bum' thing on Moyles's Catchphrase item and what it could mean and this made him definitely a homophobic'

(Then Stimpy laughed and realised how out of touch some people can really be - I knew they existed and although to this day I still haven't met one I have sort of 'cyber=met' some which is cool).

[chrysostom]

homophobia in the form of accusations of a tendancy to lean toward homophillia, masked by the usual excuses which fire shots at a lenient society.

THERE. DONE IT IN A MUCH MORE CONCISE MANNAR.

[Yudster]

Colitis is horrible.

[Boboff]

So is having something put in your bum.

[Yudster]

One can often follow the other - if you have colitis, doctors are always trying to stick something up there.

[dimtimjim]

Isn't homophobia Bart and Lisa's dad?!

[foot-loose]

[Don't know gay folk] - Actually I worked with one. We both have Colitis so we exchanged ideas and tips to help out with the disease. Others weren't so subtle on the joke side - if you know colitis you could probably guess the sort of 'jokes' about periods etc

I know what colitis is, one of my friends at work suffers from it. I don't understand what it has to do in context though.

[Pub fellas] - No - nothing to do with me - it's a rare conversation with my peer group although the extent of approval/etc varies but is mainly anti-gay. C'mon though - you will know that the vast majority of males would find the gay 'thing' foul. Not my position just the ways it is. To think otherwise is to really get swallowed up by the PC brigade that we're all lovey dovey socialists who care for the third world and love the EU etc. That's just so unrealistic.

As I have already said, in my experience, the vast majority of males don't care. I reckon that if a guy came up to them and tried to stick the tongue down their throat, they might not be best pleased. That doesn't mean that they arn't accepting, understanding and are happy to let folk just get on with their lives. If a straight guy walked up to a straight girl and tried to do the same, she'd smack him in the face.

'[Limp shouty sort'] should focus you on the exact sort I mean. Like it or not you will know precisely the sort of person I am talking about. Yes it's a generalisation but very few of 'them' do much to dispel the stereotypes.

Of course I know the kind of person you are talking about. The problem with your argument is that the "them" you refer to ARE the stereotype so of course they wont do much to change it. What you need to consider are the huge number of gay people who don't act like that.

In any social group, you will have stereotypes. That doesn't mean that's how the whole group acts, but how they are perceived to act. If you start to pay attention to the individuals though, you will quickly learn that most of them wont live up to that stereotype. Considering that the stereotype is actually created by those on the outside looking in, which side of the fence needs to make the first move?

Another way to look at it - if you have a bunch of gay folk who don't act like the "limpy shouty sort" you speak of, what do you want them to do to dispel the stereotype?

BTW - This is all from me picking up on another persons thread where they 'caught on' about the bumming thing (during the quiz) and what it might mean as an 'in-joke' in the team.

Yea, that was when you said:

It's quite obvious that it's about Aled not 'doing the uphill gardening bit' - if you get my drift.

On one day he DID join in and the way the conversation then followed on made it obvious what the 'bumming' was.

Thereafter he stays out of it again - suggesting that he tried it up the wrongun and did not like it (one must presume he would take the 'female' role if you get my drift.

I've thought - in the past - how many gays include those actions in their relationship (although it's none of my business of course).

I must say though - why should every listener need to know what one of the team does with his 'bits' because of his differences with the rest?

Mustn't grumble though - when Aled 'kept the homo thing secret' the show was great. Then after 'coming out' to the public the show often turned almost into a gay interest show on occasion. Now it's just the catchphrase bumming and the occasional reminder to us which team he's in. Which makes it much more enjoyable (I almost changed stations when it got really out of hand). Can't fully blame Aled since Chris 'prodded' the topic lots of times.

I'm not a prude or a Daily mail reader or anything - but sex and sexuality is hardly a great topic over the breakfast or while you struggle into work on the M25. Talking about bumming is another level, I make sure I'm not eating anything at the same time as the 'reminder'

Of course most of the above is the good ole 'IMHO'

... and quite a few people were uncomfortable with either the points you raised or the way you raised them. Surely, Just cos this started when you replied to someone elses comment, it doesn't mean others can't question your point of view? Surely, in fact, you welcome the challenge to justify your opinion?

What it has exposed - ironically - is closed minded left-of-left nasty sorts that scream 'homophobia' at the very mention of that lifestyle being at odds with a persons opinion. The irony is hilarious - re-read the history of the thread to see what I mean - LOL

Others may have used the term "homophobia" but if they did, that was them. I certainly haven't said you were. It is way too easy to use words like "homophobe" or "racist" etc just when there is a disagreement on a subject. I'm of the belief that if someone has a problem with gay folk, it doesn't mean they are homophobic, it just means they don't know enough on the subject to reach an informed decision. Hence why I'm continuing to talk about it. If you were just saying "gays should burn" then I would have walked away.

As a tip - someone should move on to me being a repressed homo and that my messages are simply a deep- seated reaction to my inner self which I am hating. I think I have that right. Someone can correct me if I've got a part of it wrong.

Are you a repressed homo and your messages are simply a deep seated reaction to your self hate? If so, I'm here to talk if you need someone

Incidentally - I think the most homo-'phobia' is from 'oop north'. I was called a 'poof' for pulling my suitcase along on its wheels rather than carrying it like a 'real man should'.

So normal people CAN be subject to homophobia as I can testify.

I think this kinda sums up my counterargument. You have been called a poof in the north therefore you assume that is where most of the homophobia must be. If you had been called a poof in Cornwall, you would have a different assumption. So, your experience has formed your judgement.

If the only type of gay person you see is the "limpy shouty sort" then of course it is natural to reach the conclusion that is what they are all like. What the majority of us do though, is see that there are plenty of gay folk out there who don't act like that.

(Then Stimpy laughed and realised how out of touch some people can really be - I knew they existed and although to this day I still haven't met one I have sort of 'cyber=met' some which is cool).

I class myself as a fairly normal person. I work in an office, I go to the pub, I watch shite telly and I like pizza. (God knows why I'm using those examples as a definition of "normal" but anyways...). I don't see myself as a weird online nerd. Others might but that's for them to judge. Furthermore, As far as I understand them, most of the people on here are just yer normal day to day folk you will meet as you go about life. While I accept you are having this discussion online, I reckon we would be having the same chat in the pub if you had raised it there.

You implied earlier this isn't a topic that comes up often with your friends. Maybe you should raise it and see what they think. However, if they agree with you then I refer to what I said earlier and maybe look at who your friends are. I guess what I am trying to say is that I admit that sometimes I can be wrong on a topic, but I really think that this time, it is you that is out of touch not us. I don't mean that in an antagonistic way, but I hope it might open your eyes a bit. Or your mind.

So is having something put in your bum.

This sounds like the voice of experience...

Isn't homophobia Bart and Lisa's dad?!

See, I can see the joke you were aiming for here but I think you got yourself all excited and fell at the first hurdle.

"Isn't homophobia the fear of Bart and Lisa's dad!"

[DevilsDuck]

*watches as foots flounces out of the thread*

[foot-loose]

*watches as foots flounces out of the thread*

You'd love to watch me flounce.

[DevilsDuck]

hmmm...........yeah I would!

[foot-loose]

I've just realised I've already had this argument with Stimpy about a year ago. It's my annual "educate stimpy about tolerance" argument. Woopdedoo.

[DevilsDuck]

ooooh copy and paste!

[Stimpy]

Colitis is horrible.

I would not wish it upon my worst enemies (don't have any) or any particular group (all those isms).

I do have a phobia - needlephobia (scared of pricks). Going from 14.5 st to 10 st and had to be helped into the hospital by my heavily pregnant wife.

I was given 2 valiums prior to the work that was required. Hey - that's bloody good stuff! They even took a blood sample out of me - usually impossible.

No - it's horrid and I left it far too long - over 80% of my large intestine - and I would never wish it upon anyone.

If I can at least say something that has everyone agreeing with me it's - if you have excruciating pain, loss of appetite and weight, and going to the loo a lot only to lose another half pint of blood then ask the doctor to be referred. Don't agree with the GP if he says you have depression or IBS get straight to the specialist. This means overcoming embarrassments and phobias like mine!