[Ajescent]

Does anyone find it weird when they discuss "serious" topics on the Chris Moyles show? e.g, talking about sexuality and the different categories and what have you (way too many categories in my opinion but that's just me).

I love their conversations both casual and serious but the serious ones always feel surreal because it feels as if it's against the run of the show. take for example the sexuality talk used to promote Aled's show, I found it very entertaining but at the same time engrossing to hear Chris laying out the different categories and what is expected of them (e.g the idea that gays are expected to be camp or some gay men find camp people weird). I found it interesting because it doesn't feel as if it's something you'd expect to hear on Radio 1 let alone Chris' show.

I still think having all these categories is rollocks (what's wrong with gay, lesbian bi and straight? it covers everything we need) but at the same time, it was fascinating to hear them talk about it.

[Nicola_Red]

I still think having all these categories is rollocks (what's wrong with gay, lesbian bi and straight? it covers everything we need)

What about asexual? I also think they mentioned polysexual but had that kinda mixed up with genderqueer.

[bmstinton93]

What's the point in calling it polysexual? Is that not just bisexual?

[Nicola_Red]

No, cos bi means attracted to both men and women, poly includes people who are trans or genderqueer.

[Ajescent]

Oh yes, I forgot Asexual but my argument still stands.
Lastly, if a woman changes fully into a man what's wrong with calling them a "man"? Why then do we have to create a 3rd category? Lastly I buy into this "3rd gender" crap, I'm sorry but I don't buy it.

[Nicola_Red]

Buy what you like, but there are people out there who identify as neither male nor female. They are not the same thing as people who have fully transitioned gender. They may have had no surgery, and may dress in gender-specific clothing some, all or none of the time. And they deserve respect just like everyone else.

[Yudster]

One of our employees is currently in the gender reassignment process. When I first met her she was a him. She is pre-surgery at the moment but living as a woman - I really thought it would be difficult to accept him as a her but its been SO easy. I just wish I knew her well enough to talk to her about it. We get on well as work colleagues, and we chat a lot but we aren't friendly enough for me to ask her the things I would like to know. Things like the discussions they have on The Surgery and to a lesser extent the things they talk about with Aled on the CMS could potentially be helpful, because I'm not being nosey or wanting scurrilous details, I am genuinely interested in what S has been through and how she has come to the decision to do what she is doing. Hopefully one day I will know her well enough to feel its ok to ask.

[Nicola_Red]

My mum also works with someone who's transitioned from male to female. I think she has found it difficult to accept him as a her, and said that in her conversation the word "he" still slips out sometimes instead of "she", which must be horribly awkward.

[Yudster]

I thought that might happen too, but it hasn't. Other people have had some embarrassing moments though - like when she came in for her new photograph (all our staff have to have photos on display when they are on duty as a visual lead for the service users) the man who does the pictures, who had been incredibly nervous about saying or doing the wrong thing, jovially said "Ah, just the man I want to see..."

[Nicola_Red]

I watched that My Transsexual Summer on C4 and one lovely young bloke, who had transitioned from female to male, was sat there while they interviewed his dad who kept on saying "she" and then correcting himself. The dad also said "it's like having twins and one has died." I thought that was so sad. I really felt for both of them.

[Boboff]

Respect is earned, it's not, can never be, or should be "deserved"

What all people deserve is an open mind, and a fair assessment of who they are not what they are based on superficial looks, intelligence, ability, race, creed, colour or sexual preference.

What people should not expect is to be somehow excused the normal boundaries of behaviour, without comment, just because they feel they are a minority or in some way "special" * off, surely there "oh you bad, you noticed I was different" is just a "look at me" thing.

Equality Yes, demanding people behave differently to you, than they would to everyone one else, because of a percieved almost automatic fear of persecution is more ikely to make them less friends, than more, get them less respect than more.

No one is normal, everyone is special, most of us though don't want to speak about our specialness all the time.

[Nicola_Red]

What all people deserve is an open mind, and a fair assessment of who they are not what they are based on superficial looks, intelligence, ability, race, creed, colour or sexual preference.

What people should not expect is to be somehow excused the normal boundaries of behaviour, without comment, just because they feel they are a minority or in some way "special" * off, surely there "oh you bad, you noticed I was different" is just a "look at me" thing.

Yeah, that's what I meant really. Deserving of the same respect as anyone else, rather than dismissed as not a 'real thing'.

[Boboff]

oh, ok, sorry......

Do people treat them a bit like Pepsi, or own label cola's then?

Did anyone watch "ladyboys" on Sky last night.

I know the show was a bit rubbish and didn't actually explain the surgery, or why Thailand has such a large number of ladyboys BUT......

Those two Americans walking in Hospital gowns at the end of the show was I think the funniest thing I have ever seen on TV, Ever, I was absolutely rockin'.

[Nicola_Red]

Do people treat them a bit like Pepsi, or own label cola's then?

Yeah, by saying stuff like "sorry, I just don't buy it" it seems like that's exactly what's happening. In fact that's a good analogy.

[Yudster]

I have NO idea what you two are talking about. Pepsi? Eh?!

[Nicola_Red]

When I said people treat genderqueer people as if they are "not a real thing", boboff asked if I meant "like own label Cola". ie in the way that people might describe that as 'not real Coke'. and I agreed that was a good analogy.

[Boboff]

I might back out of this as I have no idea of who these people are who "don't buy it"

Would that be some person who questions a persons stated sexual beliefs? If it is, then I would say what the goodness gracious has it got to do with you, your opinion / respect is entirely irrelevant to me you fosil.

[Nicola_Red]

I might back out of this as I have no idea of who these people are who "don't buy it"

Would that be some person who questions a persons stated sexual beliefs?.

I'm referring pretty much solely to the post by Ajescent above, in which he used that phrase.

what the goodness gracious has it got to do with you, your opinion / respect is entirely irrelevant to me you fosil.

What it has to do with me is that my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I wasn't asking for your respect, I was stating that genderqueer people are entitled to the same respect as cisgendered people. But please do share the experiences of your transgendered or genderqueer friends/acquaintances. The people I've met who fall into these categories say they experience this lack of respect often.

Okay, I'm done editing this post now. Keep thinking of more I want to say and don't wanna create new posts every time!

[Ajescent]

"I don't BUY it" was the wrong word to use, I mean to say I don't get it, read up a tad on it and I see what I was getting wrong.
Didn't mean to come off as a douche, from my initial understanding (i.e Aled said it was part of sexuality night) I instantly assumed it was a term along the lines of gay/lesbian/bi, like I said in my original post that covers everything in my opinion not sure what else this was trying to cover.
I've read up a bit as I said and see I was getting the wrong end of the wrong stick, didn't mean to offend anyone.

[Nicola_Red]

That's okay, a lot of these terms are new to a lot of people, which is why these discussions on the show are happening in the first place!

[MK Chris]

To answer the original question, I don't think it sounds weird in the slightest when they talk seriously because they do it so well and so naturally, despite the usual show atmosphere being non-serious. Chris always sounds like he speaks from the heart when he's talking about someone who's died that's shocked him or something. It never sounds forced, it's always something they feel they would like to talk about.

[Boboff]

I might back out of this as I have no idea of who these people are who "don't buy it"

Would that be some person who questions a persons stated sexual beliefs?.

I'm referring pretty much solely to the post by Ajescent above, in which he used that phrase.

what the goodness gracious has it got to do with you, your opinion / respect is entirely irrelevant to me you fosil.

What it has to do with me is that my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I wasn't asking for your respect, I was stating that genderqueer people are entitled to the same respect as cisgendered people. But by all means share the experiences of your transgendered or genderqueer friends. The people I've met who fall into these categories say they experience this lack of respect often.

Okay, I'm done editing this post now. Keep thinking of more I want to say and don't wanna create new posts every time!

When I said "you" I meant the person who "didn't get it" not you... sorry. We are both saying the same thing I think, but none of my friends are weird (joke, some of them are extremely!)

[Nicola_Red]

Oh, sorry! I may have read it quickly and misunderstood, which is what happens when you read and work at the same time you're right, we are saying the same thing.

And to go back a bit to the original post, it is interesting to hear the team discuss this cos I'm sure they are reflecting some of the questions and confusion that the audience might have on such a complex topic as sexuality. God knows some of these terms are relatively new to me.

[bmstinton93]

which is what happens when you read and work at the same time

Proof there that women can't multitask.

Men > Women.

[Nicola_Red]

Shush you. The clip I added to the vault of Dave trying to multi-task proves otherwise.