[DevilsDuck]

They arent blocking it Lottie, they are saving money...whilst we get further into debt!

[The Deadly]

They arent blocking it Lottie, they are saving money...whilst we get further into debt!

Are you saying that under a Labour government things would be any different? They'd paper over the cracks and lie to you whilst the Conservatives are being upfront and honest about it. What would you prefer?

[MK Chris]

The millionaires thing is a popular and widely used attack and its partly unfair. Yes the Conservatives have Millionaire supporters but so does every major party. They have a few Millionaire MP's but so do Labour. Should the Conservatives actively gone after the rich to raise more funds? Sure they should............

Agreed (not about the partly unfair bit, the bit about the Labour Party) - the main problem with the Labour Party today is that it is too much like the Tory Party.

.........look at what Labour did for 12 years. Handing out cash left, right and centre to anyone who asks for it. Their policy on benefits was a disaster, they lost control so yeah you can say the Conservatives do a lot to protect the rich but the Labour Party made it very easy for certain members of the UK population to scam and scrounge money.

That is a fallacy created by the right-wing press - there were people who took advantage, but nothing like on the scale that people like to believe. Frankly, the welfare state is a * good thing.

[Yudster]

The amount of benefits which is unclaimed by people who have every right to it is more than five times that which is claimed fraudulently. Part of the reason for this is that the method of claiming is complicated, tortuous, confusing and inaccessible - which makes it impossible for many of the people who are in the greatest need to cope with it.

[DevilsDuck]

They arent blocking it Lottie, they are saving money...whilst we get further into debt!

Are you saying that under a Labour government things would be any different? They'd paper over the cracks and lie to you whilst the Conservatives are being upfront and honest about it. What would you prefer?

I would rather reduced the debt slowly, but get the economy growing again, than cut cut cut and and get further into debt.

That is what the current government have done.

[Yudster]

Its empirically demonstrable that the cuts which have been applied by this coalition have made the problem worse in economic terms. What's not demonstrable is whether the DevilsDuck approach would work better - personally I think its well worth a try.

[The Deadly]

The millionaires thing is a popular and widely used attack and its partly unfair. Yes the Conservatives have Millionaire supporters but so does every major party. They have a few Millionaire MP's but so do Labour. Should the Conservatives actively gone after the rich to raise more funds? Sure they should............

Agreed (not about the partly unfair bit, the bit about the Labour Party) - the main problem with the Labour Party today is that it is too much like the Tory Party.

.........look at what Labour did for 12 years. Handing out cash left, right and centre to anyone who asks for it. Their policy on benefits was a disaster, they lost control so yeah you can say the Conservatives do a lot to protect the rich but the Labour Party made it very easy for certain members of the UK population to scam and scrounge money.

That is a fallacy created by the right-wing press - there were people who took advantage, but nothing like on the scale that people like to believe. Frankly, the welfare state is a * good thing.

Labour are the party who made some people better off not having a job than working. How can that be good? The benefit system is a great thing for those who deserve it and I'd guess 90% treat it fairly but that other 10% abuse it to the point where it becomes laughable. I've witnessed first hand people abusing benefits and it was so easy for them to do.

[MK Chris]

They arent blocking it Lottie, they are saving money...whilst we get further into debt!

Are you saying that under a Labour government things would be any different? They'd paper over the cracks and lie to you whilst the Conservatives are being upfront and honest about it. What would you prefer?

I would rather reduced the debt slowly, but get the economy growing again, than cut cut cut and and get further into debt.

That is what the current government have done.

...and that is what caused the so-called 'double-dip'.

Labour are the party who made some people better off not having a job than working. How can that be good? The benefit system is a great thing for those who deserve it and I'd guess 90% treat it fairly but that other 10% abuse it to the point where it becomes laughable. I've witnessed first hand people abusing benefits and it was so easy for them to do.

Yes it's abusable, no it's not perfect, but the abuse costs a hell of a lot less than legal tax avoiders and those who have their £6 billion tax bill written off, like Vodafone. And not very many abuse it.

[The Deadly]

They arent blocking it Lottie, they are saving money...whilst we get further into debt!

Are you saying that under a Labour government things would be any different? They'd paper over the cracks and lie to you whilst the Conservatives are being upfront and honest about it. What would you prefer?

I would rather reduced the debt slowly, but get the economy growing again, than cut cut cut and and get further into debt.

That is what the current government have done.

But can you fully trust a Labour government? Remember the lies that we were fed for years by Blair and Brown. Do you really want that again? Can you trust Ed Milliband? The puppet of the trade unions.

[Yudster]

The benefit system is a great thing for those who deserve it and I'd guess 90% treat it fairly but that other 10% abuse it to the point where it becomes laughable. I've witnessed first hand people abusing benefits and it was so easy for them to do.

The amount of benefits which is unclaimed by people who have every right to it is more than five times that which is claimed fraudulently. Part of the reason for this is that the method of claiming is complicated, tortuous, confusing and inaccessible - which makes it impossible for many of the people who are in the greatest need to cope with it.

Definitely doesn't like being challenged.

[MK Chris]

Trade unions are also a good thing.

Also, re: namby pamby liberal, I prefer to be labelled bleeding heart liberal. Thanks.

[chrysostom]

This escalated quickly.



I tend to stay out of a lot of politics as I only see mild differences between the parties, and I'm not that well informed about the intricacies. I just float along keeping tabs on stuff and don't complain when things go wrong. Apathy personified. However I do lean towards the conservatives.

[The Deadly]

The companies who are avoiding tax like Vodafone, Starbucks etc were doing so under Labour too weren't they? I am highly irritated that the Conservatives are doing little about it.
Like I've said I disagree with the coalition on many things to the point I left the party so I'm not blindly supporting them. In truth I wouldn't know who to vote for at the next election. As of now I couldn't vote for anyone as nobody speaks for me any more.

[Yudster]

There isnt a single employee benefit since the mid 1800s which would have been introduced without the Trade Unions. People who have never been in a union in their lives and swear they never would have all benefitted immensely from their influence. It takes naivety to extreme lengths to assume otherwise.

[The Deadly]

There isnt a single employee benefit since the mid 1800s which would have been introduced without the Trade Unions. People who have never been in a union in their lives and swear they never would have all benefitted immensely from their influence. It takes naivety to extreme lengths to assume otherwise.

A trade union shouldn't run a major political party. It takes naivety to extreme lengths to assume otherwise.

Ed Milliband is a slave to the trade unions. They are the only reason he got elected Labour leader and they will remind him of that on a daily basis should Labour get elected.

[DevilsDuck]

Go and fix your quotes.

So you think that they are being open and honest?

Naive

[The Deadly]

Go and fix your quotes.

So you think that they are being open and honest?

Naive

I wouldn't know how to fix the quotes. I'm using my phone and its a pain in the arse.

Were Labour open and honest with you? Do you feel fully satisfied that Labour did everything they could to look after you and your interests?

You are very short sighted.

[chrysostom]

Copy the following:

[quote="Deadly"][quote="DevilsDuck"]

and paste it at the beginning of the offending post

[Yudster]

As Mr Namby Pamby said earlier, the problem we have and have had for many years now is that the Labour party is too much like the Tory party. Its like choosing between two pieces of mouldy bread - which looks better to you? One of the pieces has always been mouldy, the other one started out lovely and fresh and wholesome but has gradually turned mouldy over the years.

An argument for a gluten free diet I think.

[The Deadly]

Absolutely. I'd love another party to come to the forefront of British politics. I want a legitimate alternative to the three major parties. There are politicians I admire from all three major parties who I wish would break off and form their own party.

I'm aware UKIP are there but there's something about them I don't like.

[DevilsDuck]

Go and fix your quotes.

So you think that they are being open and honest?

Naive

I wouldn't know how to fix the quotes. I'm using my phone and its a pain in the arse.

Were Labour open and honest with you? Do you feel fully satisfied that Labour did everything they could to look after you and your interests?

You are very short sighted.

That wasnt my argument, I didnt say that Labour were open and honest, I said

So you think that they are being open and honest?

[MK Chris]

Absolutely. I'd love another party to come to the forefront of British politics. I want a legitimate alternative to the three major parties. There are politicians I admire from all three major parties who I wish would break off and form their own party.

I'm aware UKIP are there but there's something about them I don't like.

The fact that they're a better disguised version of the BNP? I really think Farage would be better off having died in that plane crash. Harsh but true.

[The Deadly]

Farage is a bastard. His performances in the European Parliament are embarrassing.

There, we agreed on something.

[chrysostom]

I'm married to a (much) younger man

?

Sorry, don't know how I missed this.

[Yudster]

Nah, not interested in blonds.