[Yudster]

I think its great that they won't be playing it. The fuss and the reaction will be far better and far more gratifying to people than just hearing a stupid song by Munchkins.

[The Deadly]

Wait, they're not banning it are they? Is the news item instead of playing the record, I read that to say they'll play it as well as.

From what I gather they will get to the number one record and play the song whilst saying the artist name and the title. It will still be acknowledged but not played in full.

I highly doubt it will reach number one. Its still about 12000 copies behind both Pink and the shite 100% song.

I'd say with Ben Cooper making this decision it will get to the number 1 slot. More reason for protest downloads.

[bmstinton93]

If it does get number one then i'm going to have to download it as I own every single number one ever so I need to keep up the collection.

[Wykey]

Great decision by Ben Cooper. I have always said he had great intelligence and vision.

The song had been bought for disrespectful reasons and it has been bought by people who weren't even sperms at the time of Thatcher's time in power and have bought the song purely to join in with the rest of the troglodytes who have bought it. It would also open the door for future protest downloads.

Nice to see your own unique brand of ill-informed incorrectness still going strong!

And when you say protest downloads, do you mean like Killing in the Name of?

[bmstinton93]

Which BBC got Rage Against The Machine in Live on Radio 5 Live to sing it live! They were fully behind that 'protest download'

[The Deadly]

Great decision by Ben Cooper. I have always said he had great intelligence and vision.

The song had been bought for disrespectful reasons and it has been bought by people who weren't even sperms at the time of Thatcher's time in power and have bought the song purely to join in with the rest of the troglodytes who have bought it. It would also open the door for future protest downloads.

Nice to see your own unique brand of ill-informed incorrectness still going strong!

And when you say protest downloads, do you mean like Killing in the Name of?

It isn't ill-informed. I am 100% correct.

The Rage Against the Machine protest download was perfectly acceptable as the protest wasn't against a dead person who isn't even in the ground yet. It was against Simon Cowell who is very much alive.

[chrysostom]

Thatcher lives on in bottle cap form

[The Deadly]

Are you sure that isn't Ronald McDonald?

[Nicola_Red]

I think that's a very thoughtful and appropriate response from Ben Cooper. People are purely buying the song to make their opinions on Thatcher known - they aren't actually interested in hearing and enjoying it on the radio. So an outright ban wouldn't make sense as R1 clearly wouldn't playlist the song normally - they're only looking at playing it in the chart show as, as Cooper says, it's a historic record of any song that enters the chart.

[hdsport82]

Personally I think it's a massive fudge, the chart is a 'programme of record' you play the songs. Trying on the News Channel to compare only playing a few seconds to editing the swearing out of 'Killing in the name of' is pretty pathetic from Big Boss Ben.

It seems that much like Chris said post Sachsgate that post-Saville the BBC is once again 'afraid of it's own shadow'.

[The Deadly]

One thing I definitely agree with the commentators on is the fact she would be absolutely loving all of this. The biggest insult her haters could have done is completely ignore her death.

[Nicola_Red]

It seems that much like Chris said post Sachsgate that post-Saville the BBC is once again 'afraid of it's own shadow'.

I don't agree - I think they're just considering the feelings of a grieving family.

[Yudster]

I can understand people saying that, but the evidence she presented when she was forced out of office by her own former supporters would suggest that the idea of people being happy at her expense was not something she would have enjoyed on any level.

[MK Chris]

..........forced out of office by her own former supporters............

This is one thing her supporters have conveniently forgotten in all of this, as someone pointed out on Twitter by 1990, they were all Thatchered out... Thatcherated if you will (to steal a joke).

[The Deadly]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

[hdsport82]

It seems that much like Chris said post Sachsgate that post-Saville the BBC is once again 'afraid of it's own shadow'.

I don't agree - I think they're just considering the feelings of a grieving family.

A grieving convicted coup plotter and a woman ditched by the BBC for racist comments shouldn't be at the top of their considerations (ok there are other family beyond her children).

However Ben on the News Channel said this wasn't a 'proper' protest song like Shipbuilding. Does that suggest that if a 'proper' protest song like Shipbuilding/Tramp the Dirt Down/Thatcher F**ked the Kids etc. had been in the charts he would of played it?

[The Deadly]

It seems that much like Chris said post Sachsgate that post-Saville the BBC is once again 'afraid of it's own shadow'.

I don't agree - I think they're just considering the feelings of a grieving family.

A grieving convicted coup plotter and a woman ditched by the BBC for racist comments shouldn't be at the top of their considerations (ok there are other family beyond her children).

However Ben on the News Channel said this wasn't a 'proper' protest song like Shipbuilding. Does that suggest that if a 'proper' protest song like Shipbuilding/Tramp the Dirt Down/Thatcher F**ked the Kids etc. had been in the charts he would of played it?

I'm confused. Why does it matter what her children have done wrong? Are they not allowed to grieve for their dead mother?

[Yudster]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

It was, but only because the damage was already done and by then we were in it over our heads, with no way out. And here we are to prove it.

However the point was that she would not have enjoyed all the anti-Thatcher glee that's around at the moment. She had a deeply ingrained need to believe that everyone respected her at least - the realisation that this was not the case was a revealing piece of television and one I will not forget.

I'm confused. Why does it matter what her children have done wrong? Are they not allowed to grieve for their dead mother?

Of course, but what business is it of anyone elses?

[hdsport82]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

In fairness to Major he got more votes that Thatcher and ended with an economy growing rather than in a second recession. Now of course there was plenty of crap along the way.

[The Deadly]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

It was, but only because the damage was already done and by then we were in it over our heads, with no way out. And here we are to prove it.

However the point was that she would not have enjoyed all the anti-Thatcher glee that's around at the moment. She had a deeply ingrained need to believe that everyone respected her at least - the realisation that this was not the case was a revealing piece of television and one I will not forget.

I'm confused. Why does it matter what her children have done wrong? Are they not allowed to grieve for their dead mother?

Of course, but what business is it of anyone elses?

Thatcher did absolutely no damage. She fixed the damage left by Labour in the late 1970's and left the country in a much better way than she found it. You'll need to thank your friends Mr Blair and Mr Brown for the mess we are in today.

[The Deadly]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

In fairness to Major he got more votes that Thatcher and ended with an economy growing rather than in a second recession. Now of course there was plenty of crap along the way.

The economy under Major was only strong due to the groundwork laid by Thatcher. The Sun newspaper won him the 1992 election.

[hdsport82]

I'm confused. Why does it matter what her children have done wrong? Are they not allowed to grieve for their dead mother?

Of course they are allowed and I never suggested otherwise, however my I struggle to find much empathy for them. Did you have much empathy for Saif al-Islam Gaddafi when his dad was killed and images of it were shown around the globe?

I would also suggest if your mother is Margaret Thatcher, I seriously doubt you would be shocked to find out that people hated her unless you were in coma between 1979 and Monday.

[The Deadly]

I'm confused. Why does it matter what her children have done wrong? Are they not allowed to grieve for their dead mother?

Of course they are allowed and I never suggested otherwise, however my I struggle to find much empathy for them. Did you have much empathy for Saif al-Islam Gaddafi when his dad was killed and images of it were shown around the globe?

I would also suggest if your mother is Margaret Thatcher, I seriously doubt you would be shocked to find out that people hated her unless you were in coma between 1979 and Monday.

Hating her is fine as I've previously said but there are ways to go about it. Celebrating in the street is very ghoulish.

As for Gaddafi his murder was outrageous and disgusting. That's not how civilised people do justice. He was still a father regardless of his many crimes.

[hdsport82]

It was a sad day when she was pushed out. Imagine the horror when they realised how bad John Major was in comparison.

In fairness to Major he got more votes that Thatcher and ended with an economy growing rather than in a second recession. Now of course there was plenty of crap along the way.

fac

The economy under Major was only strong due to the groundwork laid by Thatcher. The Sun newspaper won him the 1992 election.

Interest rates at 15% in a recession leaving the ERM only 2 years later yep we were in great shape.

'We're alright' Kinnock lost that election, by the time the famous front page came out the election was already over the 'Shy Tory factor' was the only thing giving the illusion Labour could win.

This bit of research from the mid nineties also suggests newspapers don't affect elections as much as they might think.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/it-wa ... 64910.html

[The Deadly]

There is no way on this Earth Labour should have lost the 1992 election. I'll always be of the opinion that the Sun newspaper was at the very least 50% responsible for the Tory election victory. The other 50% was all Kinnock.

Its extremely debatable though so I'm in no way saying I'm correct, just my opinion.