[Sidders]

I've been doing a bit of research recently and I'm convinced that NASA faked the moon landings. Does anyone else have any opinions on this?

You might want to check out one of these sites before you answer:
http://www.geocities.com/apollofacts/
http://www.geocities.com/nasascam/

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

Yes you have bad grammar. Also does it really matter? It wasnt about getting to the moon anyway it was about beating the USSR.

[Sidders]

I think it matters that we've all been lied to for 30 odd years.

[Gigglyboots]

Someone told me that when I was like nine., so not the first time I have heard it. And they told me it was the wrong shadows and things like that, things that didn't add up. I can't get on the first site because of Geocities traffic.

It it strange that in this technological age that we are failing badly with the rockets as present, but we see them all take off so where'd they go. That bit they miss.

[Sidders]

If the Geocities traffic is going to be a problem, here's a paste off the site:

FACT: Neil Armstrong is now suffering with mental illness. A direct result of him putting his name forward as the foundation stone for the biggest lie in history. OR it could be that he has become paranoid by the overwhelming number of websites, exposing him as a liar.

FACT: Rumor has it that Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad was going public about the fake Moon landings on the 30th anniversary back in July 1999. He was killed in a motorcycle accident one week before the 30th anniversary.

FACT: On his web site, world celebrity Uri Geller states that NASA's alleged Moon pictures have been CRUDELY FAKED, and asks WHY? Uri however is friendly with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, so we may ask WHY does he not ask Mitchell himself why the photo's were faked?

FACT: L.B. Johnson made certain Apollo files CLASSIFIED, with a declassification date of 2026. This is so those involved in the Apollo scam would be long dead and gone, and no one alive to blame. One need not wait 24 years for the truth behind Apollo, as it is already well known.

FACT: In 1967 NASA officials, realizing that a manned Moon landing was totally impossible before 1970, met in secret behind closed doors. It was at that meeting they agreed upon a decision to fake Apollo 11, in the hope they would get to the Moon later on, and then shroud the earlier faked pictures for genuine Moon pictures. The reality is they never succeeded with any mission.

FACT: Arthur C. Clarke referred to Apollo 11 as a "Hole in History". Historian A.J.P. Taylor referred to it as "The biggest nonevent of his lifetime".

FACT: NASA had not perfected the lunar landing craft in time for Apollo 11. In 2002 they are still trying to get a rocket to land and take off again, 33 years after Apollo was supposed to have done just that.

FACT: Film footage taken inside the capsule of ALL Apollo missions, shows a light blue haze, and curvature of Earth through capsule window, when they were supposedly half way to the Moon, and in the blackness of space. This proves that capsule was only in Earth orbit.

FACT: Moon pictures on NASA's web sites are fake, with backdrop scenes pasted. The pictures reveal a black line penciled in where background meets daylight sky, which was blacked out completely.

FACT: The LM used on latter missions, was the same spec as the first mission, ie, no modifications. It would have therefore been impossible to carry the rover vehicle to the Moon in the same confined LM, even if it collapsed into a more compact form.

FACT: The lunar rover had inflatable tires which would have exploded if pre-inflated, and there was no air on the Moon to inflate them. Pro Apollo NUTTERS claim the rover had solid wire mesh tires. Yes the rover in the museum had these fitted in the mid 70's when they realized pneumatic tires could not have functioned on the Moon. NASA have had 33 years in which to clear up the plainly obvious mistakes within the Apollo program. Each time some one brings up a query NASA correct it and say nothing, ie, they cannot say why the anomaly was there in the first place. Anyway I have pictures of the rover supposedly on the Moon and it has the SAME tires AND tire valves as the one they used at KSC. In other words it is the SAME one. Early close up pictures of the rover on Internet have CHANGED since the blunder was exposed on this web site.

FACT: It would have been impossible to have a water cooled space suit on the Moon, when outside temperature was already at boiling point of water, there would be no where for the heat to dissipate.

FACT: The LM was suspended from a huge traverse crane based at Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia, and was gently lowered at the same time it traversed over a mock Moon surface created beneath it. Ref: Picture on REALITY site, and Channel 4 video "As it Happened" .

FACT: Trainee astronauts were also suspended from this huge traverse crane in a horizontal position to simulate reduced gravity. Check picture on REALITY site with the NASA web site picture of Harrison Schmitt tripping up. The unusual high backward leg swing is identical in both pictures.

FACT: Film footage allegedly taken by Apollo 8 as it supposedly circled the Moon, is the SAME film used for the Apollo 11 mission, except that film is reversed and run backwards, look for "tadpole like" mountain range. What NASA did was to film the mock lunar surface at LRC, traveling in one direction, then reverse camera, and film surface traveling in opposite direction, as shown in video's.

FACT: Film footage showing Apollo 8 allegedly circling the Moon, was taken by a rail mounted camera which slowly moved toward a rotating plaster paris model of the Moon. Ref: Picture on REALITY site.

FACT: James Lovell was reading from a prewritten script when he did the voice over for the above film, and referred to the Moon as being "essentially gray, no color, looks like plaster of paris". It was indeed plaster of paris he was referring to, hence the smirk on face of Michael Collins after this remark.

FACT: Anyone who believes the Moon landings must be "essentially green".

FACT: Michael J. Tuttle who composed the fake Moon pictures, used mountain background scenes from the astronaut training sessions in Iceland, to paste on the fake pictures. Check picture on REALITY site with number 10075749.jpg from the Apollo 16 site. He also digitally composed the 360 degree panoramic shots of fake Moon landing sites for use by NASA. His URL speaks for itself. The majority of NASA's fake Moon landing pictures were taken/composed in the late 80's, AND NOT in the late 60's as many are led to believe. This was because suspicion was aroused at the time regarding the limited number of photo's available. NASA had to do something rapidly because of the onset of the Internet.

FACT: The Saturn V rocket had shed 97% of its weight upon reaching Earth orbit. The remaining 3% was the space capsule placed in EARTH ORBIT.

FACT: Earth is 250,000 miles from the Moon, yet reflected sunlight from its surface is strong enough to illuminate the darkness on planet Earth. Anyone hovering above surface would be blinded by the light.

FACT: In the mid 60's, Alan Shepherd was removed from ALL space missions due to vertigo and meniere's disease. No one in such a poor state of health would be assigned to such a dangerous and complex mission. He was not even on the Apollo 14 mission, which in itself was only in Earth orbit.

FACT: Alleged Moon rock is basalt rock found here on Earth. NASA made it radioactive by "baking it" in a radiation oven. If it is genuine Moon rock, then it was brought back by a scoop and return probe.

FACT: The monitored radio/data signals were either transmitted from Earth and reflected back by bouncing signal of the Moon, or were transmitted via a leased channel. If a valuable source of monitoring equipment was left on Moon, then it would be used today, and not shut down in the 70's.

FACT: In a TV interview NASA chief Dan Golden, (alias Dan Dare), openly admitted that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, until they can overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He managed to say this without any mention, or reference to the Apollo missions 34 years ago.

FACT: Neil Armstrong has NO momento's or photographs whatsoever from his alleged Moon mission, however he has plenty from his test pilot days. There are no photographs of Armstrong supposedly on the Moon, because Armstrong, knowing the saga was fake, refused NASA permission.

FACT: In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2000 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k memory.

FACT: When Apollo astronauts were not in space, they were manning mission control communication for other Apollo missions, this was to limit the number of persons in the know. There were in fact two communication links to every Apollo mission. First was launch control who dealt with communication at lift off, and reentry, however once in Earth orbit communication was handed over to the limited few astronauts manning mission control. Check it yourself on film coverage released at the time. Collins, Duke, Aldrin, Lovell, Shepherd, Schmitt, Cernan etc, are all there on various missions. Lovell himself admitted that there were two communication links to the astronauts.

FACT: It would have been impossible for the astronauts to get from the Command Module to the conical space capsule, as the heat shield would obstruct them. It would have also been impossible for them to get out at the conical/pointed end of space capsule, as this section was occupied by the 3 large reentry parachutes, which ejected from the conical end.

FACT: In 2002 NASA does not have the technology to land a man on the Moon, and return them safely. It may be possible in the future, but such a feat is still many years away.

FACT: Buzz Aldrin believes he has suffered brain damage as a result of his trip to the Moon. He knows darned well that he never went anywhere near the Moon, and so could not have suffered brain damage in the way he alleges. Aldrin was the only Apollo astronaut who went public, and talked about the Moon landings during the 70's and 80's. The guilt, remorse, and stumbling over awkward questions put to him by the media, have put an intolerable strain on him. His psychological damage is the result of keeping it bottled up for 33 years, instead of getting it off his mind. In Aldrin's book "Return to Earth", he makes a remark that all 6 of them have been made to look fools. Make of this what you will.

FACT: When approached by journalist Bart Sibrel, Armstrong made the remark "Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies". Would he say this if he had nothing to hide?

Also something I found out from the BBC site:

In September, Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon, punched a man in the face after he had confronted the former astronaut at a Beverly Hills hotel.

Bart Sibrel - who has made a film questioning the Apollo Moon missions - had demanded that Mr Aldrin, 72, swear on the Bible that he had in fact walked on the Moon.

Prosecutors declined to file assault charges against Mr Aldrin.

[Dopey]

This was a debate 40 or so years ago wasn't it?

[Sidders]

Still is, and I'm yet to see conclusive proof that the moon landings took place.

I'm surprised 'no' is winning. Maybe people could explain why they weren't faked?

[Dopey]

The thing is that it has taken 40 years for it to get to moylesworld.
Not trying to be nasty or anything.

[Sidders]

What's that got to do with it?

[Gigglyboots]

Moylesworld's only been around for nearly 5 years..so how does that figure?

[kendra k]

who cares? sidla, i couldn't believe you could be THIS sad.

[Nablo.]

I think it's odd how one of the rocks in the photo's they took had a label with "Studio 9" on it.

[Morals]

I've seen stuff on this before too, and you have to wonder....

Although...

FACT: Alleged Moon rock is basalt rock found here on Earth. NASA made it radioactive by "baking it" in a radiation oven. If it is genuine Moon rock, then it was brought back by a scoop and return probe.

How can they say FACT - alleged moon rock is is basalt rock.... and then say If it IS genuine moon rock... Hmm.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

sidla investigates next week: Gunman on the Grassy Knoll - was nigel kennedy shot and paul mccartney - was he run over by a car and it was covered up?

[Morals]

Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the Kennedys

[ASG]

Sorry Kendra but a fake Moon Landing sounds definitely like something the yanks would do!

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the Kennedys

sounds like a great storyline for neighbours...

[ASG]

[Adam]

the point of the last post was?

[Nablo.]

He was pointing out Gaspode's post was funny

[Sidders]

who cares? sidla, i couldn't believe you could be THIS sad.

I don't get why it's sad. So you don't think it matters that almost everyone in the world believes we went to the moon and it's considered scientific fact, when really the whole thing was an elaborate hoax?

[Bridgie]

i clicked no, and then signed in under a different IP later so i clicked no again when i went back to see but now im thinking that maybe they were.

thats disappointing though because ive always believed they were real and after going to the space center and everything with what they say there its kind of pissed me off a bit.

anyway, 2 less votes for no and 1 more for yes

[Nablo.]

The everyone would look a fool for believing it happened.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

watched men in black last night badly quoting k "2000 years ago everyone knew the earth was the centre of the universe, 500 years ago everyone knew the earth was flat, all of my life i couldnt give a rats ass"

[Sidders]

thats disappointing though because ive always believed they were real and after going to the space center and everything with what they say there its kind of pissed me off a bit.

That's exactly why I think the whole thing's a big sham and should be exposed. People are being brought up believing they're real without knowing the truth.