[stevotrash]

OK, i might have got the rajar figures messed up. However, bar breakfast and drive time..mark and lard had the highest listenership. What's the likelyhood of colin and edith reaching a similar listnership. Nowt personal against them, but they won't because mark and lard were an act of sheer class which many employd by the station would struggle to meet.

yes parfitt wants to 'appeal' to his 15-25 demo, but whether commercial or public funded its all down to listnership. Perhaps it was a good time to let them go, but I dispute the originbal arguement made saying that they were rubbish.

Why? I agree you would have to be ignorant to not know that the era existed but I wouldn't expect a 20 year old to know who Sham 69 were or that the Sex Pistols album was called "Never Mind The Bollocks" because they weren't alive then and it's not exactly something taught in schools.

Why would you expect R1's usual R'n'B/Dance/Pop listener to know about the Rolling Stones?

I'd agree with some of that. But M&L wern't appealing to such listeners. They were appealing to young people with an appretiation for decent older music. The audience they attracted was large. Radio 1 can choose to go down a path dedicated to the ignorant R'n'B, dance and pop fan if they like but if they think that station ratings are going to rise by pursuing a path which in my opinion has led to its current demise it doesn't make much sense.

[djsteveomac]

Intersting points Stevotrash. I have thought about this and I agree that R1 is better than the usual commercial stations that pump out the same crap hour after hour. However, sometimes I feel that the station can get caught up in this whole alternative music thing which leads to utter crap like Goldie Lookin' Chain getting on the playlist - an utter untalented Zig & Zag meets Huw Edwards load of tripe.

I have a horrible feeling we will see a whole host of job dodgers coming up with irrelevant 'raps???' about their dull uneventful lives filling the playlists.

[Everlast]

Still don't understand how being repetitive is funny? It can work on TV like in Little Britain etc because the characters can be seen and the locations and theme can clearly change but doesn't work in Radio IMO

So books, radio and other forms of communicative medium can't utilise repitition in a funny way? Prick

I like listening to music and amusing chat and jokes, not story telling!

So theres no stories on the Chris Moyles show? Funny, because last time I heard that particular show, there was virtually one every link
you gusset.

Maybe but the punchline was always the same, very predictable! kind of like when somebody tells you a joke you have heard before. I have never laughed when that happens to me, in fact I usually cut them short with the end and groan

Probably explains why you have a lack of friends you egocentrical buffoon.

They're are a million and one comical radio features they could have introduced week by week

Nice calculation dj. I'm sure, if they were gifted with your supernatural creative abilities they could match your features quota.


To sum up dj stevomac is either a radio messiah placed on earth to rejuvinate the radio industry or......is a clueless knob head.

Sorry folks i haven't stopped here in a while and i noticed this thread and Stevo fighting Mark and Lards corner and rightly so. The problem is now that this country is full of little chavs with attention spans of a fish. if people want to keep listening to Chris Moyles do bland Peter Kay impressions and talking about "manly" things like going down the pub and pretending to know and like football, you can listen to Moyles toughtalking about the Streets and then bottling it when that were face to face at 1 big weekend as apose to Mark and Lard repeating the same gag? Doesn't Stevomac have a Craig David avatar? and he is talking about repeated gags, whats funny about Craig David? he always pisses himself or always says "can i get a reeeeewind". Mark and Lard may repeat the same feature but at least make it entertaining each time rather than plagiarizing other peoples work or broadcasting the bland banter that you hear on all of the other radio1 day time shows. The point was with Mark and Lard that as much as people like to hate, they didn't fall into the target audience catorgary therefore played better music and was enjoyed by an older, wiser and intelligent audience. The irony is the people who are now saying its goods that Mark and Lard have gone will in a few weeks time be complaining that the playlist is rubbish and that Radio1 are playing sh*t music well tough, Mark and Lard were the only ones with the bottle to publicly slate the playlist and get this..... play something new and different. That is why Radio1 is becoming so tedious because the listeners have really short attention spans perhaps that is why the Radio 1 listeners have capitulated to to Radio 2.

[markandlardrule]

wow your good!

[djsteveomac]

Nice take on my avatar Everlast and point taken. The difference is though that the character was on for 3 mins once a week for 6 weeks, once a year and was visual so could be alternatered more noticeably. Hardly the same as Mark and Lard who were on 5 days a week for two hours a day. Also CD didn't just say Reeewind, he changed it every week to something like "can i use your Tooooooiiiiiilet?" or "Can I get a remmmeeeeddyyyy?" etc Whereas M&L's skits never changed, the voice was always the same, the catchphrase always the same, the result always the same, the only thing that changed was a few small details that had no effect on the overall aspect of the piece.

Moyles does talk about women, going to the pub and footie etc but that is because that is what most men do and like. If you are a homosexual teetotal, snooker fan I can see why you would not like Moyles.

Mark and lard (to me anyway) just talked utter rubbish. I think maybe because I love Reeves and Mortimer and they remind me of a poorman's imitation. You say M&L hated the playlist but I seem to remember them sticking to it quite a lot and when they didn't the music they played was some suicidal punk band that were pissed off with the way life treated them.

[djsteveomac]

You talk about moyles going on about Football but I seem to remember M&L gibbering on about Man City all the time especially when the won (although that wasn't very often this season)

[Everlast]

Nice take on my avatar Everlast and point taken. The difference is though that the character was on for 3 mins once a week for 6 weeks, once a year and was visual so could be alternatered more noticeably. Hardly the same as Mark and Lard who were on 5 days a week for two hours a day. Also CD didn't just say Reeewind, he changed it every week to something like "can i use your Tooooooiiiiiilet?" or "Can I get a remmmeeeeddyyyy?" etc Whereas M&L's skits never changed, the voice was always the same, the catchphrase always the same, the result always the same, the only thing that changed was a few small details that had no effect on the overall aspect of the piece.

Moyles does talk about women, going to the pub and footie etc but that is because that is what most men do and like. If you are a homosexual teetotal, snooker fan I can see why you would not like Moyles.

Mark and lard (to me anyway) just talked utter rubbish. I think maybe because I love Reeves and Mortimer and they remind me of a poorman's imitation. You say M&L hated the playlist but I seem to remember them sticking to it quite a lot and when they didn't the music they played was some suicidal punk band that were pissed off with the way life treated them.

First of all you don't need to be a homosexual, teetotal snooker fan to hate Moyles and i must admit after all the comments you have made on this thread that one made you look like a clown the most and it was a hard decision. Now you say Mark and Lard talk rubbish and have championed Moyles, who seems to be the king at talking shit. At least Mark and Lard seem real and not have a "tough guy" alter ego that Moyles uses on the radio and then fill his y fronts when he comes face to face with J from 5, the streets, Nicky Campbell and Dr Fox. Now Moyles conversations have no depth and always revolve around him or what he has done or slagging off colleagues and i listen to Moyles on a daily basis and have been a board member for 3 and a half years and i am now bored of Moyles. At least when Culshaw was on there was another dimension and when Culshaw was on Moyles could have used it to improve his show with more phone call etc but no, all Moyles used to do was pretty much try and humiliate him, call him a shark and make jokes about how long he has been single. Funny how since Culshaw hasn't been doing Moyles shows that his career hasn't got gone up and up and he is now regarded as englands premier impressionist. Also i don't enjoy Moyles because of his constant use of peoples material i.e. car park catchphrase with Roy walker(the Roy walker connection is the only thing he has in common with Peter Kay even though he probably thinks his funnier) and as much as Moyles kisses Peter Kays arse he still can't get him on the show but Mark and Lard are more than welcome to appear in Phoenix Nights and Kay has been on THE BIGGEST SHOW, coincidence? i think not. Look at how many people do not like Moyles in the world of showbiz Ricky Gervais, Jonny Vegas i bet even Kay is pissed off with the constant plagiarism. Look at the industry and see how much industry people think of Moyles and Mark and Lard. And as for the Bo Selecta repetive jokes thing im not going to comment.




And as for the Bo Selecta repetive jokes thing im not going to comment.

[Adam]

See, we arent all Moyles fans here. Everlast, You should post more often!!!

Great post, could of done with a few paragraphs, mind u..

[Sidders]

What's wrong with snooker fans anyway???

[Adam]

Is anyone actually missing Mark and Lard? I just dont seem to want to listen to Colin and Edith at the moment, mainly because I cant and simply because I prefered Mark and Lard at that time of day. I hope they get back together one day.

As for Snooker fans - there all the bloody same as Golf and Cricket fans...

[jimmy g]

Now Moyles conversations have no depth and always revolve around him or what he has done or slagging off colleagues and i listen to Moyles on a daily basis and have been a board member for 3 and a half years and i am now bored of Moyles. At least when Culshaw was on there was another dimension and when Culshaw was on Moyles could have used it to improve his show with more phone call etc but no, all Moyles used to do was pretty much try and humiliate him, call him a shark and make jokes about how long he has been single. Funny how since Culshaw hasn't been doing Moyles shows that his career hasn't got gone up and up and he is now regarded as englands premier impressionist.

Do you honestly think the Moyles shows from back then (2001 ish) where better? All he used to do is: talk about Lizzie's breast size, do rubbish laddish phone inns and go on about the pub. Did that have more depth? I really could not be bothered to tune in very often at that time, now at least he has a little bit more material. All the same people hated him then as now, not much has changed there. Jon's profile was rising anyway since Alistair McGowan left Dead Ringers so I don't think being on Moyles held him back. He has a girlfriend now, I think.

Back to Mark & Lard; maybe they should have just been able to play what they wanted; I doubt many people where tuning in to hear the play list tracks anyway so they might as well have made it a daytime specialist show. It is public service broadcasting...

[Sidders]

As for Snooker fans - there all the bloody same as Golf and Cricket fans...

Well no, because Golf and Cricket are boring, whereas Snooker is interesting to watch. But then, each to their own...

I can't stand people who believe in stereotypes, they're all wan*ers...

[Chad]

Look at how many people do not like Moyles in the world of showbiz Ricky Gervais, Jonny Vegas

Add to that list

Mark Lamarr
Stuart Maconie
Sean Hughes
Jonathan Ross
Iain Lee
Phil Jupitus
Chris Morris
Tim Lovejoy
Dermot O'Leary

[Ahh_Pathetic]

Truely a dairy milk of stars.

[Everlast]

As for Snooker fans - there all the bloody same as Golf and Cricket fans...

Well no, because Golf and Cricket are boring, whereas Snooker is interesting to watch. But then, each to their own...

I can't stand people who believe in stereotypes, they're all wan*ers...

Ronnie O'Sullivan is the man, Willie Thorne was saying that he makes 100 breaks with his left hand

[Quincy]

The Rocket is on for 20 century breaks i reckon. hes already got 10 after demolishing Anthony Hamilton (willy thorne says hes the Peter Pan of snooker!)

Anyways, Mark and lard leaving radio 1 is the beggining of the end. R1 is appaling now. Moyles is nowhere near as good as he was in around 1999/2000 and i feel that listening to his show is becoming more of a chore than a pleasure as it used to be. I used to get home from school at 3 and go and listen to the radio straight away. 1 hour of Mark and Lard and then moyles (switch off when dave pearce was on though). Now days Radio 1 just dont make me want to tune in anymore. Its dull.

Moyles and football? what? a few years ago Moyles would have gone through a whole year of shows without talking about football at all. then all of a sudden he was bang into football.

I still listen to the breakfast show sometimes, but not regularly and it does occasionally make me chuckle, whereas a few years ago the show was hilarious.

It is quite poor for Radio 1 that Moyles is the best they have.

[djsteveomac]

Everlast Stupidly Wrote

First of all you don't need to be a homosexual, teetotal snooker fan to hate Moyles and i must admit after all the comments you have made on this thread that one made you look like a clown the most and it was a hard decision. Now you say Mark and Lard talk rubbish and have championed Moyles, who seems to be the king at talking *. At least Mark and Lard seem real and not have a "tough guy" alter ego that Moyles uses on the radio and then fill his y fronts when he comes face to face with J from 5, the streets, Nicky Campbell and Dr Fox. Now Moyles conversations have no depth and always revolve around him or what he has done or slagging off colleagues and i listen to Moyles on a daily basis and have been a board member for 3 and a half years and i am now bored of Moyles. At least when Culshaw was on there was another dimension and when Culshaw was on Moyles could have used it to improve his show with more phone call etc but no, all Moyles used to do was pretty much try and humiliate him, call him a shark and make jokes about how long he has been single. Funny how since Culshaw hasn't been doing Moyles shows that his career hasn't got gone up and up and he is now regarded as englands premier impressionist. Also i don't enjoy Moyles because of his constant use of peoples material i.e. car park catchphrase with Roy walker(the Roy walker connection is the only thing he has in common with Peter Kay even though he probably thinks his funnier) and as much as Moyles kisses Peter Kays arse he still can't get him on the show but Mark and Lard are more than welcome to appear in Phoenix Nights and Kay has been on THE BIGGEST SHOW, coincidence? i think not. Look at how many people do not like Moyles in the world of showbiz Ricky Gervais, Jonny Vegas i bet even Kay is pissed off with the constant plagiarism. Look at the industry and see how much industry people think of Moyles and Mark and Lard. And as for the Bo Selecta repetive jokes thing im not going to comment.




And as for the Bo Selecta repetive jokes thing im not going to comment.

Okay I don't know why you think I've 'championed' Moyles? Have you not read my post on the stolen jokes he uses?

You like to make comparisons about Moyles and Mark & Lard but I would say they were very similar. You talk about the Mancs like they their show was highly intellectual compared to Moyles talking rubbish but I remember M&L's show to be just as uninformative and consisted mainly of inane chatter about stuff that never happened, like when they used to pretend that world famous events occured in the towns of their callers when they clearly didn't. I know the joke so you don't ned to explain it to me it's just they were hardly the factual correspondants you have painted them out to be.

Anyway i have found some more like minded people here
http://www.ucfro.org/b2commentspopup.php?p=397&c=1

I think that bit that sums them up best was:

"Considering Mark and Lard only ever came up with about a dozen jokes and comic devices in their ten year time on Radio One, I fail to see how there are genii, especially considering those dozen jokes and devices were ALL utter sh1t."

"They were never funny, always annoying, and mindlessly repetitive. How many more times must we hear Mark insult Lard and Lard make some unfunny comment in response? They should be removed immediately, and if at all possible, shot. How about Ann Winterton's Chinese C0cklers joke, eh? And just when the Tories were in full caring, sharing, we-love-gay-people mode."

I would rather be hated by Dr Fox than these people who clearly have a grip on reality.

Again I'm not championing Moyles (he can be an arrogant two faced twat sometimes) but the fact that some Z-list celebs don't like him doesn't mean that we should all follow does it? I mean Eminem has twenty times more enemies than Moyles (including your namesake, Everlast) yet most consider him to be a genius. When one celeb hates another it is usually fuelled by jelousy anyway.

[markandlardrule]

Is anyone actually missing Mark and Lard? I just dont seem to want to listen to Colin and Edith at the moment, mainly because I cant and simply because I prefered Mark and Lard at that time of day. I hope they get back together one day.

As for Snooker fans - there all the bloody same as Golf and Cricket fans...

yeh i miss them loads, i would never listen to CandE,

yeh one day they will

btw snooker is class, Stephen Hendry 2 win!

[Sidders]

"Considering Mark and Lard only ever came up with about a dozen jokes and comic devices in their ten year time on Radio One, I fail to see how there are genii, especially considering those dozen jokes and devices were ALL utter sh1t."

"They were never funny, always annoying, and mindlessly repetitive. How many more times must we hear Mark insult Lard and Lard make some unfunny comment in response? They should be removed immediately, and if at all possible, shot. How about Ann Winterton's Chinese C0cklers joke, eh? And just when the Tories were in full caring, sharing, we-love-gay-people mode."

They sound like such intelligent people. Obviously they're right and everyone else is wrong.

[Everlast]

Everlast Stupidly Wrote

First things first sonny whats going on with your stupid signature? Did you hear that in a tarantino movie and decide you were gonna wax lyrical? And you ask Stevo to have an intelligent conversation when you couldn't name the sex pistols era. What was i saying about radio 1 listeners short memory span or just an ingorant attitude to anything that might be different to the bland way R1 normally goes around its buisness. The link that you gave me had as many people backing M+L than there was against them so that didn't work and about the z listers slagging off Chris Moyles... well you're totally right. i bet Gervais was on stage with his Golden Globes thinking "i wish i was the R1 breakfast show host". Fact is the people that do not like Moyles are not just z list celebrities but very influential people in the entertainment buisness i.e. Jon Holmes who has worked on a selection of decent comedies including the all star sketch show starting tomorrow night had Moyles shitting his pants after his comments. i used to like Chris Moyles and his radio show but i think he is a prat, Dave is a good writer and wouldn't be out of place on a show like Soccer AM if they didn't think Moyles was a wanker.

[djsteveomac]

Stevo to have an intelligent conversation when you couldn't name the sex pistols era.

Are you skimmin my posts or reading them properly? I would put my money on the former seeing as I know full well who the Sex Pistols were and I have the "Never Mind The Bollocks" album. My point was that the target audience wouldn't know about the era.

Code: Select allWhat was i saying about radio 1 listeners short memory span or just an ingorant attitude to anything that might be different to the bland way R1 normally goes around its buisness.

I guess 9 million listeners must all be wrong then. Maybe Radio 1 should just have Mark and Lard on all day and then they might get the 10 mil' (sarcasm).

Everlast you are worrying me with your sheer hatred of Moyles, funny then you should come to what is essentially a Chris Moyles fan page?!?! Maybe it's because he is on your yearly wage a week and you're jelous or maybe it's because he refused to sign an autograph for you at a One Big Sunday or something. Whatever it is, you need to get over it mate and get on with your life.

Bottomline is, Mark and lard were sacked, or 'moved on' as you'll probably reply, because they weren't up to R1's high standards. You'll probably post some useless Rajar figures about how many listeners they had but I don't think any controller would drop their most listened to show do you?

If you don't like Radio 1, you can listen to the golden oldies on Radio 2, the choice is yours.

[jimmy g]

I find it a little odd how djsteveomac comes on here with a relatively reasoned and coherent (if a little unpopular) argument about another radio presenter and everyone slates it for three pages, then Everlast comes back with a far less reasoned opinion about how bad Moyles is (on a board dedicated to him) and hardly anyone bats an eye lid. Strange.

How long until snooker stops messing up BBC Two.

[MK Chris]

Bottomline is, Mark and lard were sacked, or 'moved on' as you'll probably reply, because they weren't up to R1's high standards. You'll probably post some useless Rajar figures about how many listeners they had but I don't think any controller would drop their most listened to show do you?

Thing is though, I think that Mark and Lard had to go because of their constant slating of the playlist (although IMO they were right to do it). Think about it, you're boss of R1 and two of your best known employees constantly slag off one of the things that R1 (tries to) pride itself on. Almost irrespective of listening figures, they have to go.

[Girth]

A couple of points regarding Mark & Lard.

I agree that a lot of their humour was repetitive but this is hardly unusual. The Fast Show, Shooting Stars & The League Of Gentleman rely on repetitive humour and yet all these are very highly regarded.

The music they promoted was mostly very good and they even tried to trumpet my favourite artist Stina Nordenstam back in the day.

Finally Colin & Edith are dirge. I have tried to listen to them but in my opinion they are poor. Moyles impression of their radio show is very accurate.

Finally I personally think Moyles is doing very well and we are now 3 months in.

[Ahh_Pathetic]

I find it a little odd how djsteveomac comes on here with a relatively reasoned and coherent (if a little unpopular) argument about another radio presenter and everyone slates it for three pages, then Everlast comes back with a far less reasoned opinion about how bad Moyles is (on a board dedicated to him) and hardly anyone bats an eye lid. Strange.

We are use to people slagging Moyles though and most on here are sensible enough to ignore it (especially from someone so bitter as Everlast). As for djstevomac I think people argued more strongly as it was a new person who we hoped might be a bit rational. clearly not.