[Sidders]

It's called a joke.

I think Aled's point is that when you take a p*ss in public, you don't expect it to be captured on film.

Probably stating the obvious again, but that was for the benefit of the slower amongst us.

[stevotrash]

but if your taking a slash in the car park, theres going to be cctv. So then you would expect to be filmed. Possibly shown on sky 1.

[t36]

For our younger, less on the ball readers:

You have a p*ss at the side of the road. Whoever sees it, sees it. Whoever doesn't see it is unlucky (not that seeing it is, well, lucky) and shouldn't be treated to a rerun of the incident.

Which is a very good point.

[Tom Holt]

now i sort of understand...i hope

[t36]

but if your taking a slash in the car park, theres going to be cctv. So then you would expect to be filmed. Possibly shown on sky 1.

And that other good point kind of backs up my whole argument.

I can understand the case that people who weren't there should be prevented from reading the transcript because they weren't there. It could also be the case that people who are ordinary listeners and don't use this forum would then bombard the place with requests to read it.

BUT.

People who are already members of the board long before the whole event SHOULD be able to read the chat because Moyles apparently used the board for a chat to the members. People who weren't there should be able to read it because they have an interest.

I think it's another of those cases where people who are lucky enough to have a copy are now showing off and pretending to have a bit of power by saying "I have it, but you can't".

Plus the fact it's apparently really boring, I can't see any reason why it should be kept a massive big secret when it really isn't anything amazing. What's the problem with PMing it to someone who'd just like to read what "Moyles" said for legitimate reasons, because of a general interest and was unlucky enough to be unable to be there at the time?

[Sidders]

Isn't that exactly what I just said?

[t36]

Isn't that exactly what I just said?

Yep, but a very slightly different angle. What I'm edging at is the fact that when you have a p*ss, you don't expect people to be watching you. When you come on to a messageboard declaring that you are Chris Moyles, you expect an audience. And why the whole event should be kept an amazing secret defies logic to me. At the end of the day, if someone were kind enough to forward the transcript, I'd read it, then what would I do? Well, nothing! So what's the whole issue?! I don't understand that one at all. I've already explained my personal reasoning, and I can't work out why anyone would WANT to make it publically viewable anyway!

[Tom Holt]

Isn't that exactly what I just said?

Yep, but a very slightly different angle. What I'm edging at is the fact that when you have a p*ss, you don't expect people to be watching you. When you come on to a messageboard declaring that you are Chris Moyles, you expect an audience. And why the whole event should be kept an amazing secret defies logic to me. At the end of the day, if someone were kind enough to forward the transcript, I'd read it, then what would I do? Well, nothing! So what's the whole issue?! I don't understand that one at all.

i agree - and hes gotta remember - these are his fans so if he slags them off, the impression of him will get bad

[Sidders]

Yeah, but if you had it then you could pass it on to someone else, who could then pass it on to someone else etc. etc. Pretty soon everyone would have it.

[t36]

Yeah, but if you had it then you could pass it on to someone else, who could then pass it on to someone else etc. etc. Pretty soon everyone would have it.

That's the whole point I'm making... why would I want to?!

I know nobody on this forum. I joined because I have a knowledge of the technical side of radio that could help people who asked technical questions occasionally. I'm also involved with the radio industry. I really am here just for a general point of interest, not the whole Chris Moyles fan base thing. And having read Chris Moyles messageboard posts on different forums over the past few years, I'd be very interested in reading his recent chat. Nobody I know would be in the least bit interested! And I don't think anybody else could be bothered to pass it on because there's really nothing spectacular about it!

And if you want a bit of evidence of my integrity, here's some: http://pod-135.dolphin-server.co.uk/~ch ... php?t=8038

[Mcqueen_]

What I'm edging at is the fact that when you have a p*ss, you don't expect people to be watching you. When you come on to a messageboard declaring that you are Chris Moyles, you expect an audience. And why the whole event should be kept an amazing secret defies logic to me. At the end of the day, if someone were kind enough to forward the transcript, I'd read it, then what would I do? Well, nothing! So what's the whole issue?! I don't understand that one at all. I've already explained my personal reasoning, and I can't work out why anyone would WANT to make it publically viewable anyway!

It wasn't on the board though was it. He went in the chatroom and talked to a small group of people. If more people were in he may not have spoke at all. He didn't actually join and declare he was moyles, someone guessed and he said they were right. The whole even t isn't a secret at all is it, Just what was said exactly.

I doubt he expected what was said to be disturbuted to other people who were not in the chat room. I see no reason why anyone who wasn't in the chat, forum member or not, shoudl be able to read it as it wasn;t a discussion for them to be involved in. I dont expect my friends to tell everyone thing i tell them, even if i tell them things in a public place.

As I've said it's not that interesting, but someone doesn't want everyone to see it, and i respect that. Adam has been begging everyone for it despite knowing this, and he's got it now from someone, so he will prob start handing it out anyway.

[Sidders]

That's the whole point I'm making... why would I want to?!

What makes you think I, or anyone else who has it would want to either? It's been made clear that someone doesn't want it circulated, so I think it fair to honour it.

[t36]

What I'm edging at is the fact that when you have a p*ss, you don't expect people to be watching you. When you come on to a messageboard declaring that you are Chris Moyles, you expect an audience. And why the whole event should be kept an amazing secret defies logic to me. At the end of the day, if someone were kind enough to forward the transcript, I'd read it, then what would I do? Well, nothing! So what's the whole issue?! I don't understand that one at all. I've already explained my personal reasoning, and I can't work out why anyone would WANT to make it publically viewable anyway!

It wasn't on the board though was it. He went in the chatroom and talked to a small group of people. If more people were in he may not have spoke at all. He didn't actually join and declare he was moyles, someone guessed and he said they were right. The whole even t isn't a secret at all is it, Just what was said exactly.

I doubt he expected what was said to be disturbuted to other people who were not in the chat room. I see no reason why anyone who wasn't in the chat, forum member or not, shoudl be able to read it as it wasn;t a discussion for them to be involved in. I dont expect my friends to tell everyone thing i tell them, even if i tell them things in a public place.

As I've said it's not that interesting, but someone doesn't want everyone to see it, and i respect that. Adam has been begging everyone for it despite knowing this, and he's got it now from someone, so he will prob start handing it out anyway.

I generally agree with that. But look at it like this.

You are Chris Moyles. You go to chrismoyles.net. You chat in the chatroom. You then talk about the incident on BBC Radio 1.

And you expect people to keep the chat a secret?

Errr... I wouldn't think so.

[Sidders]

Adam has been begging everyone for it

Good mornin'!

[t36]

That's the whole point I'm making... why would I want to?!

What makes you think I, or anyone else who has it would want to either? It's been made clear that someone doesn't want it circulated, so I think it fair to honour it.

You were suggesting that it would be a long line of passing it on to people until everyone had it.

I said that anybody who requested to see it obviously has that interest. I speak for myself but I'd imagine that anybody who did request it wouldn't pass it on because there'd be no interest in it anyway.

[Sidders]

I generally agree with that. But look at it like this.

You are Chris Moyles. You go to chrismoyles.net. You chat in the chatroom. You then talk about the incident on BBC Radio 1.

And you expect people to keep the chat a secret?

Errr... I wouldn't think so.

The chat itself isn't what's being kept secret, it's what was said. Had Chris known the chat would be recorded, he probably wouldn't have said anything, as Mcqueen said.

[Mcqueen_]

You are Chris Moyles. You go to chrismoyles.net. You chat in the chatroom. You then talk about the incident on BBC Radio 1.

And you expect people to keep the chat a secret?

I don't expect people to not know I was in there, but I wouldn't expect the chat log to become public.

I think that's pretty obvious seen as people have been asked not to distribute the log!

[t36]

You are Chris Moyles. You go to chrismoyles.net. You chat in the chatroom. You then talk about the incident on BBC Radio 1.

And you expect people to keep the chat a secret?

I don't expect people to not know I was in there, but I wouldn't expect the chat log to become public.

I think that's pretty obvious seen as people have been asked not to distribute the log!

Well that's another thing... by who?! I can certainly make an educated guess.

As far as I understand it, the person who posted the chat was asked by somebody to remove it and that was it. Since then, anyone who has it appears to have jumped on the bandwagon of keeping it a secret club.

Whoever instructed everyone to keep it a secret, to be honest, hasn't got the right to!

Of course I could and may well be wrong, but seeing as it's all a hush hush thing, I have no idea.

[David]

the chat scripts not avaliable. full stop. lets end the discussion.

[Sidders]

Whoever instructed everyone to keep it a secret, to be honest, hasn't got the right to!

a) You don't know who instructed it to be removed (and granted, nor do I). But it was obviously someone in sufficient authority for LC to feel that he should. If Sheep told him to remove it, I'm sure he'd have been less inclined to do so.
b) What makes you think you have any right to read it?

[t36]

a) You don't know who instructed it to be removed (and granted, nor do I). But it was obviously someone in sufficient authority for LC to feel that he should. If Sheep told him to remove it, I'm sure he'd have been less inclined to do so.

No I don't. I even said I don't. But nor does anybody else! And that's the really weird bit about this whole thing!

And the reason I say they don't have a right is this: nobody can instruct someone to prevent the circulation of a public chat transcript, even if they were involved. If it was Aled, then people could be mesmorised into thinking he has the authority to instruct such a thing because he is involved in the show. In terms of this board though, he is simply a member. The simple fact is that no-one has the authority to make such instructions, regardless of who they are! And I think some people may feel they have a duty to keep it a secret when the fact of the matter is they can deal with it how they like.

b) What makes you think you have any right to read it?

I don't. I'm challenging the whole reasoning behind this argument that it can't be passed on to anyone who'd be interested in reading it!

For a website that trawled the newsgroups of years ago and posted Moyles' posts on this website (without his permission or knowledge may I point out, especially considering the arguments that have been made in this thread about the webchat!), I think the arguments you are making are by and large ridiculous!

[LastChanc]

Thanks fer that Sidla...

Now changing the flow of conversation slightly. If we managed to get one of the radio 1 team to come on the online chat at a particular day/time would many of you try to attend? Obviously we wouldn't want another two hour interrigation of who they are, like we had with Chris.

[stevotrash]

i do agree with some of your points t36.

if you take a piss outdoors then you wouldn't expect the incident to be broadcast to people who wern't there. However, if you chose to piss outside the big brother house...then you must realise that your actions may very well be passed to others.

On a similar note, if you were plain ol' joe bloggs and went into a chat room, you wouldn't expect your conversation to be broadcasted to others on a forum. However, if you were the saviour of the radio 1 breakfast and went into a chat room (on a website about you) and mentioned it on air the next day, you must realise that people will want to obtain the chat log for the conversation.

my new opinion is that moyles charcter during the chat room appearence was probably more him being himself, and would have a detrimental effect on his on air persona which he has crafted.

also, adds an air of mystery which has certainley boosted interest and new membership to the board.

to quote the bitty mclean...'tease me tease me tease me babbbbby'

[Tom Holt]

Thanks fer that Sidla...

Now changing the flow of conversation slightly. If we managed to get one of the radio 1 team to come on the online chat at a particular day/time would many of you try to attend? Obviously we wouldn't want another two hour interrigation of who they are, like we had with Chris.

i'd love to chat to someone in the chat room from radio 1 - i think it should be properly announced though, by Chris and maybe the star themself. If a proper timeslot was given i'm sure people would love to come, hope it wouldn't flood though with n00bies like it did after friday's mention...

[Nicky]

They do those, they're called webchats... But if they annouce it, it'd get flooded with non-regulars and it would just be a mess.