[MC]

There doesn't tend to be much anyway.

I'm the same though. I dont even download the podcast.

[Sidders]

Me either. I simply don't have time to listen to Moyles anymore. I listen to the radio most afternoons, but that is normally when I am in the car or on the move somewhere. And I enjoy Scotts show so even if I wanted to listen again, the only time I would have available to do it is normally about 4-5.30, which is during Scott's show and not enough time anyway.

[gbm]

Now i realise all of you are not moaning and that you are also saying good parts of the show and that you miss people that have gone from the show but this is a side basically devoted to chris moyles and your moaning about the show, perhaps rather than creating a thread with all of your reasons for not liking the show as much any more with good points you should make more threads with a huge list of all of the good features nowadays, other than that I love the site by the way, sorry for going slightly off topic but I registered just to post this I do read the site a lot though, CHRIS MOYLES KICKS BUTT

[fish heads]

People still don't seem to understand that being a fan and a fansite doesn't mean you have to say everything Chris touches turns to gold. We like the show, that's why we moan when there are elements we dont like as we want the show to be the best it can be. If we really didn't care we wouldn't post here.

[gbm]

Fair point well made, never thought of it like that, I have however heard Moyles on air saying how when he reads the site he finds comments that he feels slightly upset about so perhaps the fact that you want the show to be the best it can be should be stated oh yeah, are you sure that everything chris touches doesnt turn to gold, I thought I read something about that on the internet, must be true

[TVgirl]

People still don't seem to understand that being a fan and a fansite doesn't mean you have to say everything Chris touches turns to gold. We like the show, that's why we moan when there are elements we dont like as we want the show to be the best it can be. If we really didn't care we wouldn't post here.

Exactly. You can still be a fan of someone without needing to believe that everything they touch turns to gold just because of who they are. If you were to do that then you'd be unable to see any faults or flaws they may have, and miss opportunities to offer them some constructive criticism which could actually be helpful to them in the long run.

[fish heads]

Fair point well made, never thought of it like that, I have however heard Moyles on air saying how when he reads the site he finds comments that he feels slightly upset about so perhaps the fact that you want the show to be the best it can be should be stated

I think it's safe to say that what Chris says on air is just an act, as Aled has said on a number of occasions Chris really likes the site and it provides usefull feedback - afterall they can never improve the show if people just go around saying it's 100% brilliant 100% of the time.

Having said that this site does often focus more on the negative than the posative - usually with good reason I have to say, and while some (usually newbies) go overboard with this the majority of the fans only want whats best for the show, although with outsiders looking in it seems to be harsher than it really is. After all, When something great is done on the show, we do mention it and comment about it and inevitably say how great Chris is. This wont get mentioned on the show though as it isn't good material, thus most of our mentions are done in rants as it's funnier for the show - and it's what we love about Chris - as MC points out in his Top 10 good things about the show!

[Andy B]

I agree the show does seem to be more about banter these days rather than features and we haven't heard a decent song parody for ages but how long can you keep doing the same thing for without it getting tired and old? There will always be people who say "we want more of x" and then when it happens they say "oh I preferred it back in the old days"

Good example The Office versus Red Dwarf If you surveyed 100 people as to whether they wanted another series of the Office, they'd probaby say yes because Gervais had the sense to stop it in it's prime when it was still good. Now look at Red Dwarf, they made that series to death. Most people who wathed the show would say it was good up to around series 5 and that's pushing it somewhat.

That said, Rachel is dull but with someone like Chris on air, you do need someone to tell him where the boundary is, he can't just say anything he wants and not play any songs, so you need someone with their feet on the ground. Also I like it when Chris just shouts and moans at her for being dull.

[MK Chris]

Good example The Office versus Red Dwarf If you surveyed 100 people as to whether they wanted another series of the Office, they'd probaby say yes because Gervais had the sense to stop it in it's prime when it was still good. Now look at Red Dwarf, they made that series to death. Most people who wathed the show would say it was good up to around series 5 and that's pushing it somewhat.

Red Dwarf was always sh*te.

[Betti911]

That said, Rachel is dull but with someone like Chris on air, you do need someone to tell him where the boundary is, he can't just say anything he wants and not play any songs, so you need someone with their feet on the ground. Also I like it when Chris just shouts and moans at her for being dull.

I think the problem with the show lately is that Chris has been following the boundaries too closely. Its better when he goes off on a tangent.

Re Rachel she could easily monitor Chris without actually speaking on the show. There are some days when I actually count how many times she says 'play a record'.

[Andy B]

I think the problem with the show lately is that Chris has been following the boundaries too closely.

Don't forget that lately he's also been accused of racism and homophonbia. Now we all know that he's neither of those things but it's enough to make the guy want to tone it down a little until the heat lays off.

Depends what you mean by lately of course...last 6 months lately or last 2 1/12 years lately. Don't forget the breakfast show has people of a much younger age listening t the show than the afternoon show did.

Red Dwarf was always sh*te.

That's not the point, I said ask people that watched the show what they thought so as to eliminate the need to discuss whether or not it was a good show. Your views are immaterial, the analogy holds true.

[MK Chris]

You can't compare a sitcom to a radio show though, they're two completely different formats. You can't change the format of a sitcom too much, since the basic situation always remains the same - Only Fools and Horses was always about a dodgy market trader and his brother - the storylines changed but the characters and the basic information always remained familiar (and by the way, Only Fools and Horses was going over 15 years and the only point they overdid it, in my opinion, were the episodes after they made their fortune.)

[fish heads]

I agree the show does seem to be more about banter these days rather than features and we haven't heard a decent song parody for ages but how long can you keep doing the same thing for without it getting tired and old?

It was never really heavily feature based anyway. 9 times out of 10 the actual banter is better than the features. This isn't just true at breakfast, it's true from all of Chris's time at Radio 1 and it's what he's best known for. He could never do what Scott does and just go from feature to feature throughout the show (don't worry Jono, this isn't an insult) as it's not his style.

[Andy B]

You can't compare a sitcom to a radio show though, they're two completely different formats. You can't change the format of a sitcom too much, since the basic situation always remains the same - Only Fools and Horses was always about a dodgy market trader and his brother - the storylines changed but the characters and the basic information always remained familiar (and by the way, Only Fools and Horses was going over 15 years and the only point they overdid it, in my opinion, were the episodes after they made their fortune.)

O.k. Point conceeded about only fools and horses but my first argument holds true that everyone was crying out for more (so the BBC claimed) and when they made more, they said "oh it's not as good as it was"

Another good analogy, cover versions and re-makes of films, never as good as the original (well rarely), not because they actually are bad (well some are) it's just that people associate it with the first version they heard adn it will never live up to that. Eric Prydz "Call on me" first time I heard that I thought "that's just a blatant rip off of Stevie Winwood Valerie" So I prefer the Stevie Winwood version but people who never heard that version will prefer the Eric Prydz veriosn 'cos it's the first one they heard.

At the end of the day, nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

[Andy B]

It was never really heavily feature based anyway. 9 times out of 10 the actual banter is better than the features. This isn't just true at breakfast, it's true from all of Chris's time at Radio 1 and it's what he's best known for. He could never do what Scott does and just go from feature to feature throughout the show (don't worry Jono, this isn't an insult) as it's not his style.

I agree, I prefer the banter but has it actually dipped in standards? I don't think so, I just think that as Chris has aged with the station his personality has mellowed a little, he's not as hyper-active as he used to be. This doesn't mean he's not funny, look at Jack Dee, he's not hyper-active but what he says is funny, the same can hold for Chris.

Has Chris changed or have we changed?

[Jono]

What happened to the days when a guest would swear he was able to apologise and make it funny.

"If you've just tuned in, this is Scott Mills on Radio 1"

It's all too strict these days.

[riksweeney]

It's all too strict these days.

Well that's the hysteria that we've got to accept nowadays. Getting sued for talking out of turn will be common place shortly...