[Zoot]

You have to have Mushrooms in there too, or Runny egg.
when I was at Uni we used to have Bacon, Egg and Potato Waffle Butties.
Now that was good eating!

[MK Chris]

You brummies can't do anything right.

[Zoot]

You brummies can't do anything right.

Who's a Brummie?
I'm not a Brummie, far from it!

[MK Chris]

Your location says West Midlands, I just assumed you're from there originally.

[Walter Sobchak]

Scientists have created a mathematical formula of how to make the perfect bacon butty. Experts at Leeds University discovered the secret to the perfect sandwich lay in how crispy and crunchy rashers were.

They found that two or three back bacon rashers should be cooked under a preheated oven grill for seven minutes at about 240C (475F).

The bacon should then be placed between two slices of farmhouse bread, 1cm to 2cm thick.

Hmmm, So let me get this right, While the world has so much suffering; and nobody fully inderstands our planet, or our bodies, or our minds.......
A university has spent a significant amount of funding to find out how to make the perfect bacon butty???

AND they obviously didn't ask gaspode, who prefers his bacon uncrispy and served with bollox!

[MK Chris]

How supposedly intelligent people can put any sort of time or money into trying to get a definitive answer to an "issue" that is totally subjective, I'll never know. Plus, as you say, when you look at other things they could be researching, this is completely useless. It's a pub debate, at best.

[catherine]

You brummies can't do anything right.

at least i quoted right this time

[foot-loose]

Hmmm, So let me get this right, While the world has so much suffering; and nobody fully inderstands our planet, or our bodies, or our minds.......
A university has spent a significant amount of funding to find out how to make the perfect bacon butty???

AND they obviously didn't ask gaspode, who prefers his bacon uncrispy and served with bollox!

This is something that annoys me as well. Who pays for these sort of odd studies?

[Ickle Angel]

You brummies can't do anything right.

Yes we bloomin well can ill have you know young man !

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

AND they obviously didn't ask gaspode, who prefers his bacon uncrispy and served with bollox!

am I missing something here?

People become Vegetarians then go out of the way to try and recreate the taste of meat.

[DemonHorse]

People become Vegetarians then go out of the way to try and recreate the taste of meat.

hence my question.

[foot-loose]

People become Vegetarians then go out of the way to try and recreate the taste of meat.

I have been curious about this as well.

Im all for personal choice etc, but i don't really understand the point of it.

Live and let live mind

[Walter Sobchak]

AND they obviously didn't ask gaspode, who prefers his bacon uncrispy and served with bollox!

am I missing something here?

People become Vegetarians then go out of the way to try and recreate the taste of meat.

Umm, its not you missing anything, it's obviously me missing a few brain cells!

Bollocks, everyone likes their bacon different - I hate all these useless research projects.

My bacon should never be crispy.

I should have said Topher!

[Nicola_Red]

People become Vegetarians then go out of the way to try and recreate the taste of meat.

I have been curious about this as well.

Im all for personal choice etc, but i don't really understand the point of it.

Live and let live mind

Well, I personally (can't speak for all) became vegi cos I didn't want to eat dead things. Nothing to do with the taste of meat. Therefore I might still fancy bacon or whatever sometimes, my beliefs just stop me eating the real thing. Hence the fakes.

There are vegetarians who avoid all meat substitutes cos they feel squeamish about the likenesses in taste/texture to the real thing. The only thing I've ever felt that way about was fake minced beef. I eat fake bacon, ham, chicken, burgers, sausages etc regularly.

[foot-loose]

I suppose i dinna understand why people dont want to eat dead things. We have been eating dead things since we crawled out from primeordeal pools, why do we stop now? We are designed to eat, digest and gain nourishment from meat, I dont see why people would want to stop.

[catherine]

I suppose i dinna understand why people dont want to eat dead things. We have been eating dead things since we crawled out from primeordeal pools, why do we stop now? We are designed to eat, digest and gain nourishment from meat, I dont see why people would want to stop.

People have more choice now, where as they needed to eat meat for the nourishment nowadays they can get it in tablets or medicine. So if they feel iffy about eating meats they dont have to now. I dont like the way they are slaughtered and hunched together in thousands and fed food pellets to make them gain weight fast, living a short life just for the purpose of feeding us....but i love the taste of real meats.

[MK Chris]

I agree, it is natural for a species to feed on another species; why should we be any different?

[foot-loose]

First of all, i'll keep pointing out that I dont mind what folk eat or don't eat, its completly their choice and if they started shouting at me for wanting to eat meat then I would get annoyed at that, so I dont want to do the same to them.

I am, however happy to discuss it, so...

People have more choice now, where as they needed to eat meat for the nourishment nowadays they can get it in tablets or medicine. So if they feel iffy about eating meats they dont have to now. I dont like the way they are slaughtered and hunched together in thousands and fed food pellets to make them gain weight fast, living a short life just for the purpose of feeding us....but i love the taste of real meats.

I'll agree with you, catherine, that the animals maybe are not always kept in the best conditions, but I think in general, most of the animals are well looked after and given a fairly decent way of life. The same would stand with the way they are slaughtered - its not the nicest part of the food chain, granted, but its the way of life. Again, I think they are killed relativly humanly.

Id rather be killed in a slaughter house with a bolt gun to the brain than getting ripped to pieces by a lion in Africa - thats for sure! My point being that its natural (as Topher says) for one species to eat another. The only real difference is that we put a lot more thought into it than other animals.

[Nicola_Red]

Of course humans have always eaten meat; we have the teeth for it, after all.

But we used to wear loincloths, only grunt as our method of communication, live in caves and hit animals over the head with a club before eating them too though - why don't we do that anymore?

The answer is evolution. Our resources, skills and thinking processes evolved beyond the point where we needed to live that way. Likewise, we discovered how to cook and eat non-animal foods, and as catherine mentions, create vitamins etc. So some of us decided to go a different way.

I have no problem at all with what others want to eat or not eat. I am a peaceful person and I never criticise anyone for their choices. All that's important is that they are happy. But as it's been mentioned, I'm sorry to say footloose, if you think the animals we eat are kept and killed humanely, you're deluding yourself. By all means continue to eat them, but you should go in with your eyes open at least.

[foot-loose]

I maybe didnt emphasise that part well enough - im aware that a lot of the animals (chickens probably being the worst) are not kept in humane conditions and I'll agree that it is pretty sick the lives that a lot of these animals lead. However, cows, lamb pigs etc seem to lead better lives (as far as i am aware anyways).

[Nicola_Red]

I won't post details here, but if you do actually want to find out more I can recommend the site http://www.factoryfarming.org.uk. Obviously that site is anti-farming (neutral sites are hard to come by), but it does include videos taken at farms and interviews with people who have first hand experience of the industry.

[catherine]

I think as meat eaters the best thing we can do is buy organic meat and also buy it from a butcher not from the supermarket. I always buy my meat from my local butcher its so much nicer.

[Zoot]

I think as meat eaters the best thing we can do is buy organic meat and also buy it from a butcher not from the supermarket. I always buy my meat from my local butcher its so much nicer.

Yea, I agree, It supports local produce yadda yadda yadda...

My butchers does about 15 different kinds of sausage, then again where I'm from we're famous for our sausages.

[MK Chris]

Cumberland?

[foot-loose]

I won't post details here, but if you do actually want to find out more I can recommend the site http://www.factoryfarming.org.uk. Obviously that site is anti-farming (neutral sites are hard to come by), but it does include videos taken at farms and interviews with people who have first hand experience of the industry.

Yup, thats not the nicest site, but as you say - it is very biased.

I grew up amoung various farms, I have seen the conditions that the animals live in and I have never witnessed anything like that. Im not denying it happens, not am I denying that it happens on a large scale, but its not like that across the board.

As catherine says, if you go organic, you will be more likely to avoid buying meat that has been mistreated when alive. Its also much healthier, im pretty sure that I saw a program where they got something like a pint of fat out of a standard chicken. People who think a chicken is good for you these days is wrong.

That said - I still don't believe that the solution is to stop eating meat.