[MK Chris]

And, there are those would say, we are all brothers and sisters (one large family in the Universe)!

That's absolutely not true.

There's no way I'm related to you.

[Vivienne]

And, there are those would say, we are all brothers and sisters (one large family in the Universe)!

That's absolutely not true.

There's no way I'm related to you.

Tophs! This is making me laugh so hard!! But seriously though, it's not often R1 asks us to do something, and they themselves give so much on a daily basis (in terms of laughter, great music, great DJ's, etc.) - as someone said in another post, view the giving to Sport Relief as a tip!

[Boboff]

And, there are those would say, we are all brothers and sisters (one large family in the Universe)! :-)

That's absolutely not true.

There's no way I'm related to you.

You so totally love her !

[Vivienne]

eh?

[Console]

MY point is Society needs to expand it's horizons, and get helping anyway, rather than questioning everything!

"It is the responsibility of a civilised society to protect those who cannot protect themselves."

While I agree that society should be willing to offer a helping hand to those in need, people only have so many hands to offer - and they need some for themselves, too.

[Vivienne]

Yes, they need some for themselves too, but they could always cut back in other areas... a few less coffees, for example, this week, means I can give more to S.R.!! There are ALWAYS ways, if a person is determined enough! Keep posting, people, this is gonna get S.R. so much attention!

[Yudster]

Yes, they need some for themselves too, but they could always cut back in other areas... a few less coffees, for example, this week, means I can give more to S.R.!! There are ALWAYS ways, if a person is determined enough! Keep posting, people, this is gonna get S.R. so much attention!

The money gleaned from "a few less coffees" could be thrown into the vast, amorphous and (possibly) over-committed pot that is Sport Relief, yes - of it could be given directly to an organisation who will use it for a specific task in a specific place with specific people. I know which I would prefer.

[Vivienne]

The money gleaned from "a few less coffees" could be thrown into the vast, amorphous and (possibly) over-committed pot that is Sport Relief, yes - of it could be given directly to an organisation who will use it for a specific task in a specific place with specific people. I know which I would prefer.

Or you could simply trust in the fact it will go somewhere useful!

[Console]

Yes, they need some for themselves too, but they could always cut back in other areas... a few less coffees, for example, this week, means I can give more to S.R.!

Yes, but my earlier point was that people work hard so that they can get the things they want, like a few extra coffees, so they can go on expensive holidays and enjoy themselves when they're not working.

There are ALWAYS ways, if a person is determined enough!

But why would a person be determined to give money to people that they've never met and are never likely to meet? Some people need an extra reason to donate money...like the possibility of getting something in return - however small the chance of getting that something is. I don't think that people, whose incentive for donating to charity is to win a competition, is sad, they're still donating money - what about people that wouldn't donate even if their was a competition, is that as sad? Or is it sadder?

The money gleaned from "a few less coffees" could be thrown into the vast, amorphous and (possibly) over-committed pot that is Sport Relief, yes - of it could be given directly to an organisation who will use it for a specific task in a specific place with specific people. I know which I would prefer.

Or you could simply trust in the fact it will go somewhere useful!

Rely on faith and hope then? I think people would want to know that their hard-earned money is actually doing something useful, as opposed to it possibly being wasted.

[Vivienne]

Yes, they need some for themselves too, but they could always cut back in other areas... a few less coffees, for example, this week, means I can give more to S.R.!

Yes, but my earlier point was that people work hard so that they can get the things they want, like a few extra coffees, so they can go on expensive holidays and enjoy themselves when they're not working.

But do you really need the expensive holidays? I don't. I can content myself in someone's back garden in the Sun. People are seperated in Society by 6 degrees, I believe, the 6 degrees of seperation!! My point is Society questions too much, "What do I need? What makes ME happy?", ignoring so often the plight of others!! What have you done today? Nothing?

[Console]

But do you really need the expensive holidays?

No, but people work hard so they can afford to do things that they want to do, not just what they need to do. Do people need cars? No. Do people need electricity? No. Do you need Madonna? No, but you want Madonna, you want to listen to hear her songs and see her 'act' in films.

People are seperated in Society by 6 degrees, I believe, the 6 degrees of seperation!

You believe in a mathematical theory? Wow, this actually surprises me a little.

What have you done today? Nothing?

Work to earn money?

[Vivienne]

Yes, you've worked to earn money (we all need to live - well done )... other than that though, did you think beyond yourself? Did you stop for a minute and think of the future of our Society?

I don't need Ms Ciccone, no, indeed. And if I had to make a choice between her and helping someone in Society, you know what, the CD's go out the window.

Console, as a person, you need to think less, and just act on impulse sometimes.

[Yudster]

The money gleaned from "a few less coffees" could be thrown into the vast, amorphous and (possibly) over-committed pot that is Sport Relief, yes - of it could be given directly to an organisation who will use it for a specific task in a specific place with specific people. I know which I would prefer.

Or you could simply trust in the fact it will go somewhere useful!

BNut it might not. Like I said, I know of at least three organisations (of the many hundreds) which would, in my opinion, NOT use my money usefully. So what are the chances of one of those three - out of all the hundreds - actually getting my money? I don't know, but the point is that personally, I prefer to give specifically.

Can I just say however that I am not in any way attempting to devalue or belittle the efforts of anyone who is raising money for Sport Relief, far from it - it's just that charity giving, like many other things is a subjective thing, and different people give in different ways according to their means and their personal responses to need. I totally applaud you for what you are doing Viv, and all the other people who are raising money - more power to you.

[Vivienne]

OK... yuds... that's simmered me back down a little... phew!! (wipes brow from exhaustion). At least it keeps this topic at the top of the board, and that's gonna serve a purpose.

[foot-loose]

Console, as a person, you need to think less, and just act on impulse sometimes.

How else would he do it? As a frog? As a small and pungent chunk of cheese?

[Vivienne]

I mean, foot-loose, he thinks and analyses constantly... which, in some situations, is a good thing, but a little emotion sometimes can work wonders. He forgets that.

[Yudster]

I thought you were getting wound up, and that was never my intention! Like I said, Sport Relief in and of itself is absolutely a good thing, from Chappers and Dave all the way to Viv. Many people will contribute. But not everyone who chooses NOT to contribute is a meanie, that's all!

[Console]

I don't need Ms Ciccone, no, indeed. And if I had to make a choice between her and helping someone in Society, you know what, the CD's go out the window.

If you had to make a choice? What does that mean? If you were forced at gunpoint to chose between buying a Madonna CD or giving £5 (I can't believe that a Madonna album would cost more than that) to charity, you would only then give to charity? Surely the choice has always been there - buy something you want, but don't need, or give the money to charity. Would you really give to charity every time?

The point of this discussion, thought, is whether or not it is 'sad' that people needing an incentive (other than helping others) to give to charity - do you think it is sad?

Console, as a person, you need to think less, and just act on impulse sometimes.

It occurs to me that acting before thinking could be the reason that some people are in the mess they are in.

[Vivienne]

I think it is sad people need an "incentive" to give, yeah? And are you saying I am in a mess? I could equally say that you lack humanity, which makes me sad.. every day, this makes me sad.

[foot-loose]

I mean, foot-loose, he thinks and analyses constantly... which, in some situations, is a good thing, but a little emotion sometimes can work wonders. He forgets that.

Yes, but your scentence would have made more sense without the words "as a person". It's a phrase I really detest. Same as "I'm telling you this as a friend...". Does this mean that normally you tell me things not as a friend?

[Console]

And are you saying I am in a mess?

No, I was saying that some of the people that are in a mess would have gotten there because they didn't think before acting.

I could equally say that you lack humanity

You could, but it wouldn't make it true.

[Vivienne]

I just think you need to be a bit more "human".... I've told you this in pm's... sometimes it's like you've been knitted. BTW, check out my new signature!

[Console]

I just think you need to be a bit more "human"

As opposed to being mostly god, you mean?

[Vivienne]

You are definitely not God, believe me, or anywhere close.

Right, I'm going to bow out at this point... I'm going for my lunch. I will make this final remark: I am lucky, as a person, I am able to afford sandwiches today, because many people aren't. Many people whom S. R. are helping have to look in dumps for food ... silly, expensive holidays would be a miracle to them, I should imagine.

Think about it, people, think hard, and think twice! Think a third time, and text 82125. V. J.

[Yudster]

BTW, check out my new signature!

And check out mine!