[alaiksandr]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/au ... ips-gender

[Yudster]

Well, presumably we'll find out when the tests are done. Or are you asking us to guess, based on what she looks like?

Also, shouldn't this be in "Ramble"?

[foot-loose]

Why isn't this in Ramble?


Can you imagine it being asked in the national press if you were actually someone of the opposite gender. How humiliating. Someone should just check her bulge - job done.

[alaiksandr]

This is news! thats why its not in ramble, move it to ramble if you really want to though.

[foot-loose]

It's off topic chat, surely? What has this got to do with Moyles or Radio One?

Anyway - a mod agrees, so how about a nice big cup of shut the * up?

[alaiksandr]

meow!

[Johnny 1989]

I don't think we'll know until those test results, although, to me, she's one of the most masculine looking females I've ever seen.

Anyway glad to see we've got another medal

[alaiksandr]

They reckon it will take several weeks to check?


Surely that cannot be right.

[Nicola_Red]

Depends on how long the hormone testing takes I guess. They must have some serious doubts to do this - I don't think they can just do it based on someone going "hang on, she's got a bit of a manly jawline"...

[MK Chris]

No, but everyone who says it should have been kept quiet for at least now is absolutely correct.

[le_moribond]

Probably not male, but definitely supsicious for improving a personal best in such a short space of time.

[Yudster]

Depends on how long the hormone testing takes I guess. They must have some serious doubts to do this - I don't think they can just do it based on someone going "hang on, she's got a bit of a manly jawline"...

Its not the hormone testing that takes the time so much as the genetic and chromasomal studies. If she is someone who was born with gender dysmorphia it can take ages to establish the dominant gender - in fact sometimes it is impossible.

The IAAF have handled this incredibly badly. If this girl is shown to be female, they have probably ruined her life with this humiliating public debate. She's 18 years old for gods sake. If she turns out to be ineligible to compete as a woman (and an indeterminate gender result would bar her as well as a male one), well, from what I heard about her background, I'm unconvinced that she herself has actually done much wrong. She was born in a tiny rural and poverty stricken part of South Africa, brought up by her grandmother - and brought up as a girl, she wouldn't have had any question that that's what she is until other people brought it up. The question of her gender has only recently been raised though and I can see a scenario whereby she might be as surprised by all this as anyone. If the South African Athletics Federation has manipulated her situation in some way, well, it wouldn't be a shock, they have a pretty patchy record when it comes to the legitimacy of their athletes to compete for a number of reasons. So far, until there is evidence that she has been knowledgeably and willfully cheating, I feel sorry for her.

[foot-loose]

meow!

woof > meow

[DannyBoy]

Caster looks like a dude, s(he) doesn't have woman's hips or emmm ( o Y o )

[Yudster]

Bearing in mind the huge range of body types and shapes that women have, and how they are exaggerated by extreme training, that's not really a very accurate means of making a judgement though (although I'm not disagreeing with the observation as such). When the tests come back and say she's a man or she's a woman or even she's a gender dysmorphic hermaphrodite, then we'll know.

[alaiksandr]

Who cares anyway

[pjordan2000]

meow!

woof > meow

quack > woof > meow

[Yudster]

Who cares anyway

Anyone who is interested in track and field I would assume.

[foot-loose]

meow!

woof > meow

quack > woof > meow

baa > quack > woof > meow

[Yudster]

I knew you had an unnatural fondness for sheep. You celts are all the same.

[dimtimjim]

Anagram of her name is............ 'Yes a secret man' Now if thats not proof, I don't know what is.

[Yudster]

Its a great coincidence though isn't it?

[pjordan2000]

woof > meow

quack > woof > meow

baa > quack > woof > meow

Nah it's got to be oink > quack > baa > woof > meow

[foot-loose]

baa > quack > woof > meow

Nah it's got to be oink > quack > baa > woof > meow

Don't talk crap. Where does "moo" come into it?

Baa is > thank quack. And where they hell does "moo" come into this? Moo > oink I think.

[John22]

I don't think so