[The Deadly]

It's not personal insults at all. At most it is use of bad language which Topher used when describing a woman who had just died. That was fine for you though so I am using similar language when posting. Get over yourself.

Calling someone pathetic and saying they know * all isn't personal? Ooookay. And last time I issued a general warning to everyone, so it wasn't fine with me at all.

I didn't say "you're pathetic" I just said "pathetic" meaning his actions are pathetic and not him.

Now apologise.

[bmstinton93]

How can you make a dance remix of candle in the wind? I hope it wasn't the Diana version!

[The Deadly]

I was directing it at a person who ruined countless lives though, you weren't.

Matter of opinion and not fact. Doesn't matter who you were directing at you were still offensive.

[The Deadly]

How can you make a dance remix of candle in the wind? I hope it wasn't the Diana version!

No it was the original played with a dance beat. Typical late 90's euro dance.

[MK Chris]

I was directing it at a person who ruined countless lives though, you weren't.

Matter of opinion and not fact. Doesn't matter who you were directing at you were still offensive.

It is a fact that she ruined lives. Clearly she made some better too (mainly the very rich), but she ruined the lives of many, many ordinary people.

[Nicola_Red]

I didn't say "you're pathetic" I just said "pathetic" meaning his actions are pathetic and not him.

Now apologise.

That's still insulting. And did you say he knew * all?

[The Deadly]

I was directing it at a person who ruined countless lives though, you weren't.

Matter of opinion and not fact. Doesn't matter who you were directing at you were still offensive.

It is a fact that she ruined lives. Clearly she made some better too (mainly the very rich), but she ruined the lives of many, many ordinary people.

Did she ruin your life? Probably not. Fact is you brought the nasty words to this debate and anytime I use bad language to describe a situation or something a member has done I get the blame. Same rule has to be applied to everybody.

[Nicola_Red]

Oh, I've had enough of this ridiculous squabbling. Say what you like to each other, I'm past caring.

[The Deadly]

I didn't say "you're pathetic" I just said "pathetic" meaning his actions are pathetic and not him.

Now apologise.

That's still insulting. And did you say he knew * all?

It's not insulting. By saying his actions are pathetic it is a personal opinion. To say he is pathetic would be an insult. I could trawl through the forum to find instances of people being offensive to me but I won't. Not worth my time. In my opinion he knows * all about Thatcher yes. It's up to him if he wants to prove that statement wrong.

[MK Chris]

I'm not saying whether or not I thought you should have got a warning, as that's not for me to say, but I will say that I wasn't describing something a member has done, I was describing something someone else who none of us know personally has done, but we know that her actions caused a great many peoples' lives to be a misery, that is a matter of fact.

[The Deadly]

If Bob is offended then I'll apologise to him. At the moment it appears certain individuals are offended for him.

[Yudster]

I love Boboff.

[Wykey]

I was directing it at a person who ruined countless lives though, you weren't.

Matter of opinion and not fact. Doesn't matter who you were directing at you were still offensive.

No, it's a fact.

Her having more of a detrimental impact on the country than the Luftwaffe is a matter of opinion, but her ruining countless lives is fact.

[The Deadly]

She won 3 elections. She was the most loved Primeminister since Churchill. That is the only fact in interested in.

[Yudster]

Its a good job it isn't the only thing she will be remembered for though. Mass delusion is dangerous.

[MK Chris]

She won 3 elections.

Fact.

She was the most loved Primeminister since Churchill. That is the only fact in interested in.

Opinion bordering on delusion. Did you see the image I posted comparing her and Attlee? Now HE was a great politician - who actually doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

One more thing: right-wingers aren't averse to celebrating the death of a prominent lefty either...

[The Deadly]

How can anybody win 3 elections if they are not popular? Winning 3 consecutive elections means she was the most popular PM since Churchill, it can't be denied. When I use the word popular I don't mean universally popular. Like I've said in previous posts I understand the resentment from some people for her.

I fully agree with you about Clement Attlee. He was a good Prime minister who is often forgotten about.

[MK Chris]

Ignoring the fact that "most loved" implies "universally popular", yes she won three elections. She was not the most loved PM, that is my opinion. She won it based on policies designed to win votes in the short term, as others have said. We are still living with the consequences of these policies today.

[MK Chris]

Oh - and she also had the appalling press in her favour of course:

[Wykey]

How can anybody win 3 elections if they are not popular? Winning 3 consecutive elections means she was the most popular PM since Churchill, it can't be denied. When I use the word popular I don't mean universally popular. Like I've said in previous posts I understand the resentment from some people for her.

You seem to be comparing contemporary popularity with long term damage to society and the nation as a whole. They're not comparable.

Using tabloid popularity contests to judge the legacy of someone is, in my opinion, the refuge of the scoundrel and nincompoop.

[The Deadly]

Oh - and she also had the appalling press in her favour of course:

Oh come on the Kinnock one is hilarious.

[Wykey]

Ignoring the fact that "most loved" implies "universally popular", yes she won three elections. She was not the most loved PM, that is my opinion. She won it based on policies designed to win votes in the short term, as others have said. We are still living with the consequences of these policies today.

Bingo.

All people / some time
Some people / all time

[hdsport82]

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How can anybody win 3 elections if they are not popular? Winning 3 consecutive elections means she was the most popular PM since Churchill, it can't be denied.

Blair won three elections too (one of which after Iraq). Neither of them got a majority of the popular vote (the percentage drops further when you adjust for turnout). As I pointed out early both of them can't match Major's 14m votes either.

Sometimes the public everywhere hold their nose when voting, see Chirac v LePen 'vote for the crook not the fascist' etc.

Election results therefore doesn't automatically equate to popularity, especially when looking historically and their record in office/legacy is then taken into account.

[chrysostom]

[The Deadly]

Exactly my point.