[Topher]

Also, the Mail's attach on Ed Milliband's father is shocking. Even for them - what's worse is the refusal of apology and reiteration of how much they hate him!

It's dreadful. I heard him talking about it on the news and he sounded quite emotional, understandably. Like he said, to have a go at his dad's politics is one thing, but to run those mendacious smears (to use a criticism The Mail itself used one someone else) on his dead dad is *.

Added to that, Miliband's dad apparently fled the Nazis to this country. The Mail enthusiastically supported the Nazis. Who hated Britain then?

[Topher]

Alastair Campbell crucified the Mail's deputy editor on Newsnight tonight, well worth a watch:

[The Deadly]

I don't think Alistair Campbell can call anyone else a bully but the basic point he's trying to make is correct.

Politically this attack by the Daily Mail is the best thing that's ever happened to Ed Milliband. The hate that the normal person has toward the Daily Mail will work in his favour if he plays his cards right.

[Bruvva]

Ben, as a wise man once said :



Go out, get drunk, * the first girl that looks at you and move on.

As for the Mail, here's a picture of the editor at the time hanging out with his best mate :



So they can shut up, like. Horrendous rag and Deadly's right, it could well backfire on them.

Anyway, this whole "work for your dole" that is being talked about. Being forced to pick up litter or do some other menial task and being forced to spend the whole day in the Benefit Office like you're some kind of naughty child. The government want people to pick up litter? Pay them a wage. What they're talking about doing is making the unemployed do the same community service as convicted criminals, as if being unemployed is some kind of criminal offence. It's all part of the plan to make this kind of thing seem acceptable :

http://m.insidehousing.co.uk/6528809.article?mobilesite=enabled

There are people out there who want you to BID for work, enabling companies to pay the absolute lowest wages they can with no inconvenient things like having to put the employees in pension schemes.

[Topher]

I don't think Alistair Campbell can call anyone else a bully.

And funnily enough when that point was made to him, he didn't bother trying to defend himself against that - just the allegation of being a coward. Regardless, I think very many people including Campbell, whether they are bullying types or not, are very definitely in a position to call Paul Dacre a bully because it's well documented that he is the worst kind.

[The Deadly]

Paul Dacre is pure slime. The amount of absolute bollocks he has put his name to over the years is staggering. I'm not sure if there is a worse news source anywhere in the world than the Daily Mail or Mail online. Mail online deserves its own dedicated thread as it is pure evil.

[Topher]

There is actually a Daily Mail thread.

Juxtapositions like the below article with the Sidebar of Shame are all too common:


Whilst looking for that image, I found this very good article on the Miliband situation.

[dimtimjim]

Dunno if any of you will remember, a friend of mine was assaulted while on a night out back in Feb this year...

Just found out he has pleaded 'not guilty' which means I will be required to go to court and provide witness accounts for the jury, next Feb.

'kin great. Like this little twat hasn't caused enough problems already.

[Yudster]

Think of it as doing the necessary thing to get him sorted Tim. I know it probably feels like something you really don't want to have to do but it is a positive, and gives you an opportunity to help get the right result.

[chrysostom]

It is cold and wet.

Although I love cold and dry...or snow.

Can't wait for the snow palava

[JayE]

The Snow is always great.

[chrysostom]

*insert informer video here*

Relying on public transport for my commute means I'm happy to see snow. I can imagine it's very different for car commuters!

[dimtimjim]

just found out I share a birthday with Robin Thicke...




I know YOU want it...!

[Nicola_Red]

Thoroughly depressed myself doing a preliminary wedding budget. How much do you think I could get for my kidney...?

[dimtimjim]

What condition is it in, Nic?

[Nicola_Red]

Pretty good I think. It's terrifying how quickly the costs of even a relatively simple wedding spiral. I suspect we'll be calling in a lot of 'mates rates'...

[dimtimjim]

Being a member of the 'living in sin' club, its the £ element which has stopped us doing it before now, so I can only imagine the situation you're facing right now...

Chin up missus.

[Nicola_Red]

Yeah, we're pretty broke. But I really want to get married, so we'll just find it somehow, y'know after all, we could just go down to the town hall if we really didn't wanna spend the money. I do realise that struggling to find the cash for a wedding photographer is not like struggling to pay your rent!

[Topher]

Thoroughly depressed myself doing a preliminary wedding budget. How much do you think I could get for my kidney...?

On the upside, at least you'll be getting an extra £200 per year...

[The Deadly]

Does getting married actually change anything within a relationship? Not sure the idea of marriage appeals to me on any level. A piece of paper doesn't make you any more or less committed to someone.

[Nicola_Red]

I dunno, I think it's a personal thing. I agree that the piece of paper shouldn't change how committed you feel to someone, only how you are in the eyes of the law. But I think maybe it will change how I see our relationship in some way - I'm not sure exactly how that works. People who are already married are better placed to say than I am! I just know that I want to get married, and I've wanted to for a few years, but I don't know exactly why.

[chrysostom]

In and of itself, I feel getting married is conforming to social norms. Given that many marriages are in no way religious, the importance of marriage is entirely social and legal. The combining of assets shows a serious commitment, and is connotative of joining as one unit.

Marriage is everywhere in popular culture when it comes to references to families or serious relationships. If a relationship breaks up in a movie, it's a rom-com. If a marriage breaks up in a movie, it's a drama.

Marriage has (for so long) had connotations of being grown up, seriously committed and creates a larger family. It's not surprising that people feel a piece of paper brings about a change. I think it's symbolic of a new phase, and a public formal commitment to remain in a relationship. An event so significant, you gather your nearest and dearest to and plunge yourself into debt for.

From a non-religious perspective, it brings no logistic change - but it is bound to have a significant impact on how you perceive your relationship, how others perceive your relationship and how you view your own future panning out.

Although this is all from an unmarried 25 year old - so could be complete nonsense.

p.s. Nic, I reiterate my suggestion of 'Don't tell the Bride'

[Nicola_Red]

I dunno if I want to get married to conform to social norms - not consciously, but maybe on a subconscious level. I am a Christian though, so it does have a religious element to me. And it definitely does bring that feeling of being a family - that's why I want us to have the same last name, I guess.

[Misfit]

I'm getting a tad tired of trying to bring ideas forward at various workplaces and stuff and being shot down in flames. I came up with the idea of web streaming earlier for the radio. it got shot down in flames before I'd even finished the pitch because it wouldnt benefit us in anyway as far as they can tell. I'm also incredibly fed up of people poking fun at me. It's only meant as harmless fun but its got to the point where I just want to twat some people in the face. Example, someone at uni was taking the mick out of me for not hearing something, when I asked the lecturer, one of my coursemates said something like "It's not * hard, just listen". I just didnt catch it cos the person next to me started talking at the same time. I'm pissed off all the time and its showing.

[The Deadly]

Someone at work keeps talking about himself in the third person. I want to kill him.