[timb]

No-one has yet to come up with a response to my point that people who hit themselves in the face with shovel are stupid.

How many people do you know who go around hitting themselves with a shovel?
And how many people do you know who smoke?
I would imagine there's a significant difference to the answeres of them 2 questions, and here is how I sum it up.

People hit themselves with a shovel once, it hurts, they learn from it, they don't do it again.

People smoke a cigarette. It's quite a pleasureable experiance, so they smoke a few more. After they've smoked a whole packet they realise it's bad for their health so they try to stop, but they find they crave it too much to be able to stop.

1. just because a lot more people smoke than hit themselves in the face with a shovel does not make it any less stupid

2. there is no realisation period. when you start smoking you know it's bad for your health, unless you were alive in the 50's when people actually didn't know. so to start smoking when you know it's bad for your health is a STUPID thing to do, isn't it!

[Sidders]

You must have realised by now that you've lost this argument?

[timb]

My right not to think smokers are stupid is actually the right of a large group of people to not have me discriminate against them. Same as the rights of people of a different colour skin, religion, culture or sexual preference. Its all the same.

except that smoking is a choice, which does reflect on the person involved. juding people is not a crime.

[timb]

You must have realised by now that you've lost this argument?

because there are so many of you stupid people who can't understand that i can think that smokers are stupid? obviously not

[Lawrie]

some lyrics to Timb....

`Dont wanta see your face, dont want to hear your words, why dont you just **ck off`

`Generation terrorists`- Manic Street Preachers

[Lew]

some people who talk to other people who arent listening are talking to a brick wall

i believe they shouldnt be talking to that person in the first place. they must know about this tendency not to listen, and i also believe it is their fault. the person they are talking to knows that their opinions are meaningless.

timb has been talking to many brick walls for a long time

bless him....

[timb]

Right you really are getting me annoyed.

Its a choice, just like what clothes you wear, you don't need them, but yes. (Poor poor example!, but others may think your a tad stupid if you go out the house naked)

i also judge people on what clothes they wear. if i see someone wearing one of those jesters hats i think 'they're a bit odd' OMFG WHAT A SHOCK HORROR

[Sidders]

If you still can't see why your original statement was incorrect, then you have proved how stupid you are.

[timb]

some lyrics to Timb....

`Dont wanta see your face, dont want to hear your words, why dont you just **ck off`

`Generation terrorists`- Manic Street Preachers

once again thread reading is not madatory. why don't you just **ck off?

[Gigglyboots]

I have friends who are smokers, I have relatives who are smokers...They are not stupid.

The "decision" to be a smoker seems daft to me as a non-smoker, it does not make the person in question stupid.

[Mcqueen_]

because there are so many of you stupid people who can't understand that i can think that smokers are stupid? obviously not

Yes you can think that, it doesn't mean you are right though, and so far i dont think you have put any good points across to back up why you think someone smoking makes them 'thick'.

What happens when a person stops smoking? Are they suddenly given back their intelligence?

[timb]

If you still can't see why your original statement was incorrect, then you have proved how stupid you are.

that's another way of saying you've lost but don't want to admit it

[Morals]

Is it just me or does timb seem to have run out arguments (seeing as his original argument was so stupid in the first place it's not hard to see why)?

As was mentioned earlier, you need some evidence to back up your pathetic attempt at an argument - and guess what? There isn't any, because it's a totally unsubstantiated claim. Why? Simple, because it's stupid. Like you.

I swear, if I ever bumped into this guy in real life I'd have to kick him in the happy-sacks for being quite possibly the most annoying, opinionated little shite-bag ever to (dis)grace this board....

[timb]

I have friends who are smokers, I have relatives who are smokers...They are not stupid.

The "decision" to be a smoker seems daft to me as a non-smoker, it does not make the person in question stupid.

think what you want, i still think they are stupid

[Lew]

timb - SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF READING THIS INANE CRAP SPEWING FROM YOUR UNINFORMED AND PATHETICALLY STUPID MIND ON THIS THREAD JUST TO READ THIS ARGUMENT GOING ROUND AND ROUND IN CIRCLES THIS IS DRIVING ME MAD.

listen everybody, stop arguing with him and he'll shut up

timb - you are an arse

[timb]

because there are so many of you stupid people who can't understand that i can think that smokers are stupid? obviously not

Yes you can think that, it doesn't mean you are right though, and so far i dont think you have put any good points across to back up why you think someone smoking makes them 'thick'.

What happens when a person stops smoking? Are they suddenly given back their intelligence?

no but a factor which makes them mind bogglingly stupid is removed

you can think that people who are smokers aren't stupid, but that doesn't make you right either. OMFG

[Sidders]

because there are so many of you stupid people who can't understand that i can think that smokers are stupid? obviously not

Yes you can think that, it doesn't mean you are right though,

Agreed. I have no problem with you believing that, that's your opinion, but part of democracy is being able to put your opinion accross, and I'm trying to get you to change your opinion because it's quite clearly a ridiculous thing to believe.

[timb]

Is it just me or does timb seem to have run out arguments (seeing as his original argument was so stupid in the first place it's not hard to see why)?

As was mentioned earlier, you need some evidence to back up your pathetic attempt at an argument - and guess what? There isn't any, because it's a totally unsubstantiated claim. Why? Simple, because it's stupid. Like you.

I swear, if I ever bumped into this guy in real life I'd have to kick him in the happy-sacks for being quite possibly the most annoying, opinionated little not good-bag ever to (dis)grace this board....

i have proved my point many times that smoking is a stupid thing to do, that makes people who smoke stupid. you have yet to prove why people who smoke aren't stupid.

and wow threats of physical violence, you must be a great great person. i'm sure all your little friends think you're well hard.

[Sam]

Actually Lewis, I don't want him to shut up. I'm interested how anyone could form such an hipocritical, biased and discrimatory viewe of things. People who can be so unbeliveable unfair and unjust amaze me, and I want to see what tim's arguement is and continues to be, as he obviously feels he is right. Maybe I'll learn something.

[Lew]

have to retort this from previous page it needs to be said:

timb - SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE

i'm not sure we can learn anything from him

how can we when he's not learned anything himself

[Morals]

Bet most of the people on here would love to do the same thing though.

[Sidders]

i have proved my point many times that smoking is a stupid thing to do, that makes people who smoke stupid. you have yet to prove why people who smoke aren't stupid.

and wow threats of physical violence, you must be a great great person. i'm sure all your little friends think you're well hard.

Just because you do stupid things it doesn't make you stupid, cretin.

Tell me honestly that you've not done anything stupid in the past week.

Bloody hell, I'm struggling to keep up with this thread tonight.

[timb]

Actually Lewis, I don't want him to shut up. I'm interested how anyone could form such an hipocritical, biased and discrimatory viewe of things. People who can be so unbeliveable unfair and unjust amaze me, and I want to see what tim's arguement is and continues to be, as he obviously feels he is right. Maybe I'll learn something.

you judge people by their actions. it's a very simple concept. people who smoke perform a stupid action many times a day, this makes them stupid. this is not unfair, it is judging people by their actions. if you pick your nose, you are disgusting, if you swear you are rude, if you smoke you are disgusting, rude and stupid.

[Sidders]

It's not rude if you don't smoke in front of anyone else.

[timb]

i have proved my point many times that smoking is a stupid thing to do, that makes people who smoke stupid. you have yet to prove why people who smoke aren't stupid.

and wow threats of physical violence, you must be a great great person. i'm sure all your little friends think you're well hard.

Just because you do stupid things it doesn't make you stupid, cretin.

Tell me honestly that you've not done anything stupid in the past week.

Bloody hell, I'm struggling to keep up with this thread tonight.

smoking isn't one stupid thing, it is many stupid things many times a day.