[a-moron]

Its just semantics - Key Stages 1 and 2 (Reception to Year 6) comprise Primary Education - you get Infant schools, Junior Schools, Middle Schools - call them what you will, YR - Y6 = KS1/2 = Primary School.

See aw' that ^^

Looks like an algebraic equation.

Me = Primary School (Primary 1-7), Secondary School(Years 1-6).

That's it my friends, that is how it's done in South-West Simplesland. Home of the Brave and those no' bright enough to comprehend all that gibberish.

I must just be Anti-Semantic...

[Bas]

I trie d to avoid all that confusing malarkey by staying away from school as much as humanly possible. And still came away with 2 'O' levels.

[a-moron]

O'Leary & O'Reilly?

[Yudster]

I trie d to avoid all that confusing malarkey by staying away from school as much as humanly possible. And still came away with 2 'O' levels.

I found the best way was not to go. I got a lot more O levels than you though....

[Boboff]

Education is irrellevant, it's how happy and well endowed you are that counts in the end.

[Yudster]

Possibly, but as someone who wilfully and stupidly threw away all their educational opportunities I can't help thinking that a little more of it would have contributed something to my current happiness.

[Boboff]

Happiness is wanting what you have, not having what you want. You don't need three years getting pissed and shaggin to work that out.

[Yudster]

True, and I am certainly very happy with my lot - but I have regrets which it would be stupid to pretend I don't have. And if I acknowledge that I have made mistakes, I have to acknowledge that things could have been better - otherwise, they wouldn't have been mistakes, would they?

[Boboff]

Don't know really.

A mistake sounds negative.

It might be that you regret not being a singer/academic/world leader, but if you had chosen that path then you may well not have had the family and friends you have now. To wonder what you could have been and regret not taking actions and to consider them mistakes I think is going to make you depressed, it's negative it's not healthy, and it's not right, I would say you have made choices, and not all of those choices you would make the same choice now, but you can't change them, what they brought about was happiness, so et al they can't be a mistake, can they?

[Yudster]

I just think its unrealistic and a bit arrogant not to acknowledge mistakes. I agree that they were choices, but with the benefit of hindsight I have to accept now that some of them were simply WRONG choices.

But don't get me wrong, I don't dwell on it, and I am very content with what I have!

[Boboff]

Pissing on an elctric bar fire, drying your hair with a hair dryer in the bath, leaning on one leg from the top of the ladder....... WRONG.

Building 9 appartments in a house with no planning..........WRONG!

I have only done one of the above.

[Nicola_Red]

Out of all the stupid things I've done, my main regret is getting credit cards when I was 18/19 and they just sounded like free money. The other things are letting myself get screwed up about food and dieting and turning over in my mother's womb, but I kinda couldn't help either of those at the time.

[Ilovematt]

Workmen .. No your NOT a tidy worker and put the bloody toilet seat down and flush, It's not rocket science.

[Bas]

Out of all the stupid things I've done, my main regret is getting credit cards when I was 18/19 and they just sounded like free money. The other things are letting myself get screwed up about food and dieting and turning over in my mother's womb, but I kinda couldn't help either of those at the time.

I was recently able to pay off my credit cards in one fell swoop & you cannot believe the relief & lifting of worry that had.

[Nicola_Red]

Yeah, unless I get a significantly better job, I'll still be paying some of mine off 20yrs from now. The good news is that I only have to remain earning crap money for another five years and they'll write off my student loans - woo hoo!

[MK Chris]

Yeah, unless I get a significantly better job, I'll still be paying some of mine off 20yrs from now.

Ever thought about not paying it? Yeah, you'll get a bad credit rating but it will be sorted out in a significantly shorter amount of time than 20 years... six if memory serves. I know it's not the conventional way of doing things, but it's certainly A way; I know someone who did it.

[Nicola_Red]

You mean defaulting on the loan? I have, and I've got fairly far with it but then when they start threatening bailiffs and the like I wimp out and set up a payment arrangement. I know there are laws on what they can and can't do, I just get to the point where I can't be bothered fighting them any more.

[Ilovematt]

Fearne being on the show this morning ! Keep her OFF

[dimtimjim]

six if memory serves.

He is right, jus' stop paying. After 6 years you can apply to get the figure deleted, assuming they havn't taken you to court by then, which is easy to avoid.... You can then pay a nominal sum to have your credit rating repaired. Sorted.

i can supply further detail on a one2one basis, £50p/h.

[bmstinton93]

He needs all the money he can get atm.

[dimtimjim]

He's right, I do....!

[R94N]

Yeah, unless I get a significantly better job, I'll still be paying some of mine off 20yrs from now. The good news is that I only have to remain earning crap money for another five years and they'll write off my student loans - woo hoo!

That's the one thing I'm a little worried about if I do end up going to university. The crippling debt..gulp.

[Nicola_Red]

Mine are not even from uni - back when I went, tuition fees were paid for by the government and you got a grant as well. They are all from post-uni, when I was unemployed and waiting for the hospital to call me in to start my leg lengthening surgery, and just spending money to pass the time!

[Munki Bhoy]

Yeah, unless I get a significantly better job, I'll still be paying some of mine off 20yrs from now. The good news is that I only have to remain earning crap money for another five years and they'll write off my student loans - woo hoo!

That's the one thing I'm a little worried about if I do end up going to university. The crippling debt..gulp.

Britain - where you're better off getting a job in McDonalds than staying on in education.

[Boboff]

Cheeky so and so, you jocks get it for nothing!

(did you notice the edit from Twat to so and so there!)

Univercities cost money to run.

Should they be paid for by the State, i.e. everyone, or should they be paid for by the users of the product?

We have free education up to 18, paid for by the State, enabling one and all to achieve there maximum potential should they be arsed.

When should this end?

I left school at 18, got a job, and a part time job, having worked in McDonalds, and got my employer to pay a private business who taught me accountancy. They did this as I did work for them which they charged people more than they paid me for, ie they made a profit, I had a job, wages, and a way of improving myself, provided I worked hard for them.

And all the time I was working and paying taxes that was going towards the cource costs of my "friends" who were getting pissed and laid, and spending two years then dropping out, or 3 years and getting a third, or what ever, but they certainly were not trying there best. If they were having to borrow the money albiet only in a "figurative" sence, they might have tried harded, and gone to work for Daddy with allot better education.

Nothing really has changed. The government pay the bills for the Univercity, before that was it, if you were poor you got a grant to live, if you were rich your parents paid to help you live. Then they said I know lets give them a loan to live on, then instead of a grant, which we don't get back we will get some back eventually, great that worked, so lets now try charging them for some of the costs of the school as well, Oh look that works as well, right bollocks to it, lets try and charge them for the whole lot.......What actually pay the amount it's costing! That's rediculous, they won't like it, I know, but we can blame Clegg, get in!!! RESULT!!!!

The main thing I hope it brings about it the Univercities get better at delivering good degrees cheaply. Why can a year of OU cost £3k, and someone just reading books at Brigton Polly cost £9k? You see it doesn't, but a degree in Marine Biology probably costs £20k a year. What they should do is charge what each degree costs, if it leads to a shortage of Marine Biologists, then there wages will increase until such a time that it makes it cost effective to pay the extra for your degree as the potential earnings are so much more. It is this simple equation which justifies charging everyone.